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Hi. New here. Hope someone can help.
Just bought a foxsat 320Gb from ebay, 2nd hand. I’ve bought one before for a relative so have some knowledge. I previously had an old pace 810 hd receiver. Dish is on a motor to get RTL for F1. Dish has single LNB.
Only got the foxsat today but I am finding that when it goes into standby and comes out, I get “no or bad signal”. If I change channels lots of times then it all starts to work, even returning to original channel. e.g. it will start on BBC1 with no signal, I can switch to channel 143 which will work and I can now go back to BBC1, but switch off and on, and I have to do the same thing??
I understand because I am in “motor” mode, I am limited to “single cable”. (not sure how this differs from two cable, single feed??) I do have a link cable connected. I can record 2 channels at the same time and watch a limited selection. I have tried power saving off and on. I have done a factory reset.
I’m still troubleshooting and so far it seems test recordings are working, coming out of standby so If that continues, I’m not too concerned. (Although I have already had one failed recording due to a conflict which I cannot understand)
However, can anyone explain why I get no signal after standby? Is it a fault? I have some knowledge about polarisation and frequecies but cannot understand this? I will add that my dish alignment/cables might not be perfect and there are some frequencies that might not be perfect but I seem to be getting 60-80% most of the time.
I already updated the official firmware from 17 to 21.
Thanks.
There are some special settings for the Foxsat in a hidden menu.
I don’t know much about DESEQC myself but you will find some information on:
http://www.astra2sat.com/freesat/diseqc-settings-on-freesat/
I remember reading that the choice of port is significant and from memory, that freesat should be on the first.
Thanks, I had a look. Not sure ports come into it though, is that if a had a diseqc switch, which I don’t have?? I don’t have the input option on the menu. I just have a standard motor.
I’ve done some more testing. I set the antennae option back to fixed but it was just the same. I have now improved the signal by lifting the dish slightly. Now get at least 85% and 100% quality on all freesat channels including 999, still made no difference.
I then bypassed the motor by connecting directly to the lnb. This worked i.e. no “no or bad signal” after standby. The motor has no affect on quality/signal.
It does seem to depend on which channel I am on before going into standby. Above about channel number 140 seems to be better, (if not 100% ?) than the lower channels but does not seem to be dependent on polarisation or whether its a channel with regional differences (e.g. BBC)
Unfortunately it does affect recordings too. My previous testing was on programs due to start soon (display clock) stayed on. Those seemed to be ok.
Don’t know what else to try. All seems quite strange, like the humax is putting the motor into some kind of sleep mode and not waking it up when it comes out of standby under certain conditions?
Anyone any other suggestions??
Not sure if this will help.
http://www.purplesat.com/index.php?p=1_48_FOXSAT-HIDDEN-MENU
I do remember in the early days if you use a motor the Foxsat effectively reverts to a single tuner for Freesat operations. It works OK using diseqc and multiple lnbs ( I had a small dish on 19.2E for a while).
Again thanks and I have looked at the link but there is nothing I haven’t already done.
There must be something weird going on. I can reliably go into standby from ch145 and it works fine, even for recordings 15+ minutes in the future but not the lower BBC/ITV channels.
I just need to test going into standby from ch145 with multiple recordings in the future. As long as it “keeps ch145” rather than switching to the recorded channel each time, it might work.
There doesn’t seem to be a setting to set a specific “switch on” channel?
In the meantime, I have added the custom firmware and got RTL added to the “freeview list” to allow scheduled recordings. As long as I can workaround the standby issue, i’m well pleased!
AlanFoxsat – 10 minutes ago »
I just need to test going into standby from ch145 with multiple recordings in the future. As long as it “keeps ch145” rather than switching to the recorded channel each time, it might work.
There doesn’t seem to be a setting to set a specific “switch on” channel?
In the meantime, I have added the custom firmware and got RTL added to the “freeview list” to allow scheduled recordings. As long as I can workaround the standby issue, i’m well pleased!
Logically channels 152 and 160 should work the same way. You could try setting a watch timer to 145 every day before recordings are due.
grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago »
Not sure if this will help.
http://www.purplesat.com/index.php?p=1_48_FOXSAT-HIDDEN-MENU
I do remember in the early days if you use a motor the Foxsat effectively reverts to a single tuner for Freesat operations. It works OK using diseqc and multiple lnbs ( I had a small dish on 19.2E for a while).
I read that too and it says in the menu “one cable”.
At present, as a test, I am recording both BBC One South and ITV+1 and viewing ITV2. I assume that means I must be using two tuners?
grahamlthompson – 33 minutes ago »
AlanFoxsat – 10 minutes ago »
I just need to test going into standby from ch145 with multiple recordings in the future. As long as it “keeps ch145” rather than switching to the recorded channel each time, it might work.
There doesn’t seem to be a setting to set a specific “switch on” channel?
In the meantime, I have added the custom firmware and got RTL added to the “freeview list” to allow scheduled recordings. As long as I can workaround the standby issue, i’m well pleased!
Logically channels 152 and 160 should work the same way. You could try setting a watch timer to 145 every day before recordings are due.
154 and 160 works. 152 (travel ch+1) doesn’t. 152 has 85%, 90% !!??
AlanFoxsat – 43 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago »
Not sure if this will help.
http://www.purplesat.com/index.php?p=1_48_FOXSAT-HIDDEN-MENU
I do remember in the early days if you use a motor the Foxsat effectively reverts to a single tuner for Freesat operations. It works OK using diseqc and multiple lnbs ( I had a small dish on 19.2E for a while).
I read that too and it says in the menu “one cable”.
At present, as a test, I am recording both BBC One South and ITV+1 and viewing ITV2. I assume that means I must be using two tuners?
Should be impossible
Even with twocables
961 BBC 1 South 10817 V
112 ITV+1 10891 H
113 ITV2 10758 V
grahamlthompson – 16 minutes ago »
AlanFoxsat – 43 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago »
Not sure if this will help.
http://www.purplesat.com/index.php?p=1_48_FOXSAT-HIDDEN-MENU
I do remember in the early days if you use a motor the Foxsat effectively reverts to a single tuner for Freesat operations. It works OK using diseqc and multiple lnbs ( I had a small dish on 19.2E for a while).
I read that too and it says in the menu “one cable”.
At present, as a test, I am recording both BBC One South and ITV+1 and viewing ITV2. I assume that means I must be using two tuners?
Should be impossible
Even with twocables
961 BBC 1 South 10817 V
112 ITV+1 10891 H
113 ITV2 10758 V
Kingofsat shows itv1 +1 at 10758 V. It might have moved in Feb.
Anyway my plan of switching to 145 before standby did not work. A planned recording for BBC1 did not start. When I switched it on it said there was a conflict with the current channel (145) only when I cancelled that did it switch to BBC1 and start recording.
Would that have worked if I had two cable (one feed – loop through) or would the same problem still exist?
AlanFoxsat – 9 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 16 minutes ago »
AlanFoxsat – 43 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago »
Not sure if this will help.
http://www.purplesat.com/index.php?p=1_48_FOXSAT-HIDDEN-MENU
I do remember in the early days if you use a motor the Foxsat effectively reverts to a single tuner for Freesat operations. It works OK using diseqc and multiple lnbs ( I had a small dish on 19.2E for a while).
I read that too and it says in the menu “one cable”.
At present, as a test, I am recording both BBC One South and ITV+1 and viewing ITV2. I assume that means I must be using two tuners?
Should be impossible
Even with twocables
961 BBC 1 South 10817 V
112 ITV+1 10891 H
113 ITV2 10758 V
Kingofsat shows itv1 +1 at 10758 V. It might have moved in Feb.
Anyway my plan of switching to 145 before standby did not work. A planned recording for BBC1 did not start. When I switched it on it said there was a conflict with the current channel (145) only when I cancelled that did it switch to BBC1 and start recording.
Would that have worked if I had two cable (one feed – loop through) or would the same problem still exist?
Very strange, I can’t get at my Foxsat-hdr to check the transponder but this is a very recent data dump.
112 ITV +1 TV-SD Freesat Open 10145 270 2358 2359 2358 2360 2360 freesat 28.2E 10891 22000 H
You can easily check the transponder by pressing opt+ while viewing the channel.
The Custom Firmware has a satinfo package that details the transponders for each channel.
I don’t think any ITV channels have moved this year unless it happened today (If it had your Foxsat wouldn’t pick it up till tomorrow during overnight housekeeping.
Yes it would have worked if ITV+1 really is on the transponder you think. The rules are any two channels can be recorded providing they are in the same frequency band (high/low) and polarisation. A third channel can be viewed if it shares a transponder with either recording. (in the special case if both recordings are from the same transponder (only 1 tuner is needed). In this event any 3rd channel meeting the band and polarisation requirements can be viewed.
In this case all are low band vertical.
See
http://myhumax.org/forum/topic/what-can-i-record-and-watch-using-1-or-2-cables
Freesat channels on 10758 V
977 ITV 1 London (audio described) 10758 V
602 CITV 10758 V
118 ITVBe 10758 V
117 ITV4 10758 V
113 ITV2 10758 V
103 ITV (Granada) 10758 V
103 ITV (Central West) 10758 V
103 ITV (Anglia North) 10758 V
103 ITV (London) 10758 V
Nice spreadsheet.
OPT+ for 112 ITV +1 is showing me 10758 V.
Still getting back to the original problem, still don’t know why with motor antenna, single cable, why does it have a problem coming out of standby only on some channels. What is it with these channels that fails? (interactive services or something maybe??) If it could just record the channel it was on before standby, I could make that work. It even works on RTL in freesat mode (added with custom firmware) which is on a different satellite???
AlanFoxsat – 45 minutes ago »
Nice spreadsheet.
OPT+ for 112 ITV +1 is showing me 10758 V.
Still getting back to the original problem, still don’t know why with motor antenna, single cable, why does it have a problem coming out of standby only on some channels. What is it with these channels that fails? (interactive services or something maybe??) If it could just record the channel it was on before standby, I could make that work. It even works on RTL in freesat mode (added with custom firmware) which is on a different satellite???
A real mystery. Firing up the Foxsat to check satinfo. Will probably have to look into it on Monday.
See for yourself, at a loss why you have 112 on a different transponder, unless it’s a postcode issue. Not aware the ITV+1 channel has regional variations. What area postcode have you used ?
EDIT – It’s a postcode issue, just checked ITV+1 has regional variations. You could use the channel editor to add these to freesat mode which would increase the single cable recording options.
Simple test
Record 300 Film 4 – can you watch say 124 More 4 ?
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I will check out 10758 V using non freesat tomorrow.
Yes, it seems there are regional variants for +1. I am meridian. I was confused with Kingofsat as 10758 shows as ITV 1 +1 but 10891 includes the region in the name e.g. ITV 1 London +1.
OK now I’m confused 🙄 I thought of a temporary workaround to set a manual recording on one of the “good” channels, for one minute, 15 minutes before a real scheduled recording. (i.e. wake it up on a good channel) I tried this and it worked.
However, now I cannot get it to go wrong at all. i.e. I can go to standby from any channel, switch back on again and do NOT get the “no or bad signal” error. It was 100% reproducible and currently it totally isn’t and I don’t think anything has changed
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