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  • #66417
    Anonymous
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    The failing resistor problem is well known but only concerns some production (as far as I have seen only HDR-1000S reports of later production).

    I am sure there is a recordings population bug which presents itself very very occasionally. My first thoughts were I was looking at the recordings before the list was populated thus triggering more problems. I have avoided looking at recordings until several minutes after the boot seems complete.

    Graham, when was the last time you saw this problem on one of your units?

    I have not seen the problems since 2015 I think. I have also seen reports of the same problem on terrestrial units.

    #66418
    Anonymous
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    I have a number of these 1000s boxes, and I’m looking to see what can be done to fix them.

    So far taking the known good HDD and putting into the failing boxes does not resolve the issue, nor does a fresh HDD formatted correctly. Putting the HDD from the failing boxes into the good box works fine, so can’t see this being a HDD issue.

    On all the boxes the HDD spins up and you can hear it being being accessed at boot up, however, the good one does this for slightly longer.

    I can’t see any visible issues with components.

    I have measured the radial and smd caps using ESR meter (in circuit) against known good box, and can’t see any massive variations between them.

    Anyone recommend any next steps?

    #66419
    Anonymous
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    Just to record my experiences in solving this problem. The ability to have recording functions on my Humax 500GB HDR 1100S stopped in August 2019, two years and 2 weeks from date of purchase. I purchased a new box and decided to investigate the problem on the failed unit. I read many of the discussions in this thread and found them very informative. I had good exchanges with Humax customer support but no solution.

    Back in 1988, I had a HDD problem on a PC and a Belgian techie produced a superb piece of code to ensure that the read/write head of the HDD returned to the correct parking position at power off/standby. This is referred to by SteveZ in his input above. So I dismantled a Sky+HD box and removed its 500GB HDD.

    I put the Sky+HD Seagate HDD in my Humax 1100S box and the disk drive was seen immediately. I then followed Humax’s instructions to format the HDD and low and behold problem solved. I can now record the Rugby World Cup and watch it in my study without disturbing my wife!!!!

    Conclusion: In my case the “No recordings less than 1% etc” message and the Timing Shift Buffer message when you try to pause or go back when viewing a program where due to a fault with the Seagate HDD.

    With my situation the HDD turnd during the boot procedure so my diagnosis was that the read/write head was not in the correct position. Even though reports say that the HDDs today are equipped with a return to stop position spring (or other mechanism) I believe this is failing. As Humax is having so many reports of this type of problem, I have recommended that their technical department ask Seagate for quality testing reports for their HDDs. These Humax boxes are on most of the time and heat up. Although more expensive a solution a solid state memory solution would probably prove more reliable.

    #66420
    Anonymous
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    Auto head parking isn’t a mechanical mechanism. When power is removed, the spindle motor acts as a dynamo and can generate enough power from the decelerating mass of the spindle/platters to drive the head motor to safely park the head.

    A bigger issue for hard drives in pvr boxes used to be something called ‘lube chunneling’. This can happen if the drive stays powered up with platters spinning with the head staying in the same place for a considerable time. The head can create a (very shallow) channel in the lube coating the platter. When the head finally moves, it catches the edge of the channel and head damage results. A time slip buffer negates this issue, but if you turn it off …….

    hairbear

    #66421
    Anonymous
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    I am another owner of two failed HDR10xx boxes. The first was a 500GB non-wifi, which stopped seeing the disc just out of warranty. I checked that the disc was readable on a PC and that it was powered in the box, then I bought another, a HDR1010S. It repeated the trick, failing the same way just out of warranty. It joined the first in the loft, and we used the free HDR which Talktalk had given us in the hope of us buying some of their pay TV (we didn’t). Now retired and in lockdown, I got both boxes out again to see if I could fix them. The 1010S was confirmed to be the same, good disc but not visible. By following the data tracks from the disc socket I can see they go to processor via 4 capacitors, and there is continuity whwre it should be, and the capacitors reading 9nF -presumably nominally 10nF. The only anomaly I can find is the buck converter between the processor and SCART socket, which appears likely to be the processor power. This is mentioned in a previous post. It reads 0.93V on both failed units. I know processors use low voltages, but this seems a low and odd value. I got the data sheet for the convertor chip (Z1025D1), and verified that its feedback pin was at the correct 0.8V so it appeared to be working. If the vague stories about the cause being a failed resistor are true, it could be one of the resistors in the potential divider controlling the feedback pin. Turning the board over, I found the resistors but as well as the expected two between the power rails, there is a third connected to a track heading towards the processor. It is not possible to measure the resistors reliably while in circuit. It does mean that there is something apart from the potential divider which controls the processor voltage. The processor is obviously working because the box does everything apart from record, but it may need some extra voltage to control the HDD. I tried injecting higher voltages, up to about 2V, but it did not change anything. I tried manipulating the buck convertor feedback, which caused the processor to reset several times. After that it mysteriously started working again, but after a few days got erratic. Sometimes it sees the recordings but says they are in an incompatible format, other times it has no recordings. That was the old box, the 1010s has not responded to anything yet. I have added equal or larger electrolytic capacitors in parallel to all the important seeming ones although the ripple voltages all seemed low enough – a few mV.

    Does anyone know what the processor voltage should be?

    #66422
    Anonymous
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    I know this is an old thread but I feel my two cents’ worth might help others in the same situation.

    Yesterday my HDR-1000S suddenly decided to ‘lose’ all my recordings. I turned to this forum looking for possible answers. The settings menu on the Humax told me to attach an HDD, so I assumed that I had a fault on the HDD or controller etc.

    But then a little light bulb came on in my head; yesterday, I rearranged the HDMI cables on my TV and part of that involved swapping a newish hi-speed HDMI cable for an old one (not sure what spec) that was more suitable as regards length. That, believe it or not, turned out to be the problem. When I reinstated the previous cable (the hi-speed one), all the recordings came back and, once again, when I put the old cable back in, they all disappeared again.

    Completely clueless as to why… anybody? The old HDMI cable appeared to work ok otherwise, the only difference being the disappearance of my recordings.

    #66423
    Martin Liddle
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    Corrigap – 1 hour ago  » 

    When I reinstated the previous cable (the hi-speed one), all the recordings came back and, once again, when I put the old cable back in, they all disappeared again.

    It might be coincidence. One of the symptoms of the problem you describe is that at first it can come and go (presumably a marginal component); it might well get worse so watch anything important as soon as possible. Alternatively the hi-speed cable might be radiating a lot of interference.

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