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Luke – 9 hours ago »
Graham, I am not denying anything you saying inpost #43 but what you are still not addressing your comments to Alex4000’s post of #33 which brought up the subject of component and explained why it was being brought up. Also Alex4000s possible solution does not involve a SCART socket in the original device as the original device is the FVP-4000T which has no SCART socket.
Alex believes he may have found a way of making the FVP-4000T more frequently have a successful handshake with a TV.
Post #33 can be found here https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/failure-to-turn-on-when-timer-recording/page/4#post-42624
Surely he is talking about composite not component?
prking – 35 minutes ago »
Luke – 9 hours ago »
Surely he is talking about composite not component?Yes, a typo on my part. The FVP-4000t has not got component.
I hope you are saying that tongue in cheek!
Alex4000 cleared everything up in his post of #45, to clarify that it was composite and it was only using it try to help establish the HDMI connection.
Thanks for the replies.
I have been thinking about the way I use the 9200T and have come to the conclusion that this ‘startup while recording’ issue won’t affect me very often.
The earliest TV recording in my current schedule is Jekyll & Hyde at 7pm and, with the exception of Desert Island Discs every Sunday, I rarely record anything before that time.
90% of my viewing is pre-recorded, and I usually bring the box out of standby around 3pm to watch one of these recordings and then leave it on until I go to bed even if the TV itself isn’t on.
But, just to get things straight if I find that this isn’t practical with the 4000T, (I’ve seen it reported that it can get very hot, although I’m not sure if this is just when it’s being used for catch-up which I plan on doing with the TV), if I attach red, white and yellow cables to the Humax and the TV, neither of which have Scart sockets, the 4000T will come out of standby?
Or alternatively, I set the On Timer to bring the box out of standby at a specific time each day, to cover me for the times I’m not there to do it before recordings start?
Alex4000 – 11 hours ago »
Just to confirm, having the composite video and left/right audio rca output sockets of the FVP (the yellow, white and red ones) connected with a RCA composite to scart cable (Google “scart to composite cable” for examples) to a scart input on the TV gets around the problem (at least for me!). The composite to scart cables can be only be used for a signal in one direction, so the switch on the cable needs to be the correct way for composite to scart (rather than scart to composite).
Yes, I can also watch the composite video (and audio) output from the FVP on the TV. I don’t as it’s at the lower video quality of 576 lines, or maybe 720p (ie. the same as the older 9200T). I also don’t need to as the presence of this parallel connection enables a working HDMI link.
There is no obvious reason why having the composite connection as well as the hdmi connection makes my system work. However over the last few days it has turned on reliably when recording – each time turning the TV on and automatically turning the TV to the correct HDMI input [note I need HDMI-CEC control (ie. Sony Sync or Panny Viera Link) switched on as part of my work round]. I can only assume this parallel connection is causing some handshake problem to be avoided.
Composite (CVBS – Composite Video Blanking and Synch) is only capable of 480/576i output. It’s the lowest quality video connection as combining luminance and chrominance creates video artefacts like the shimmering effect you see on say fabrics with a fine mesh. It’s the system used to record Video on a standard VHS recorder.
One step up from composite is separating the luminance and chrominance, this is known as S-Video and used in S-VHS/Hi 8 video recorders.
Component is an entirely different animal, it’s related to RGB, and is used to transmit digital TV and on DVD’s. Using component rather than RGB allows a simple form of compression by reducing the number of bits required for the colour space from 24 bits to 16. It’s HD capable and was the only way to get HD on the original HD TV’s which predated HDMI and it’s built in copy protection.
RGB can be losslessly converted to component, but it requires an active powered device. It cannot be done by using a simple adaptor.
Hope this clarifies the issue.
I am having the same problem, not coming out of standby if recording.Phoned Humax this afternoon and was informed that they were aware of the problem with some TV’s.I was asked for the make of my TV (Samsung) and was then advised to turn off the HDMI CEC in the TV settings menu and assured this would cure problem.
I told the person I spoke to about this Forum post and suggested that Humax should post some advice here.
Have just followed their advice -and it has not worked !There seems to be no doubt that therered is a problem with this product and if Humax cannot fix it they should recall them and refund our costs.
Fabia
Just to add my 10 pennoth, I used to have a Humax, think it was the 9200.My friend has recently bought this product, the FVP 4000t, and it seems they are having this same “Wake Up” problem. I will see if the couple of possible get ’rounds work for them! Does this box still or will get OTA software downloads? They dont have internet.Also a downloadable manual?? Thanks.
I emailed Humax Support 2 weeks ago, no reply. So today decided to telephone them regarding this issue. The guy I spoke said there was only me with this issue and that nobody else had been in touch with them. Can everybody with this problem please email them
uksupport@humax-digital.co.uk or telephone them on 0344 318 8800
(Monday – Friday, 9am – 5pm).
Thanks.
doozerjazz – 13 hours ago »
Just to add my 10 pennoth, I used to have a Humax, think it was the 9200.My friend has recently bought this product, the FVP 4000t, and it seems they are having this same “Wake Up” problem. I will see if the couple of possible get ’rounds work for them! Does this box still or will get OTA software downloads? They dont have internet.Also a downloadable manual?? Thanks.
Welcome to our Forum
Please ensure your friend is aware that the LED remains red in standby and when recording.
If you monitor the unit when bringing out of standby, knowing it is recording you should spot the Red LED momentarily goes off then on, or blink may be a better way of describing it.
” I emailed Humax Support 2 weeks ago, no reply. So today decided to telephone them regarding this issue. The guy I spoke said there was only me with this issue and that nobody else had been in touch with them. Can everybody with this problem please email them “
Hi,
First “only me” is total rubbish – everybody with the box has problems. we are all having this and many other problems. Many of us have given the box to charity, put it at the back of a cupboard and gone back to one of of older oxes. (I will email HUMAX!(again) on your behalf.
This box is a dog and should be withdrawn or an upgrade issued very quickly.
I have had Humax boxes since they first came on the market twenty-odd years ago, but because of their lack of response to all the details here (and other places, try a general Google, not just this forum) I’ll never buy another Humax box.
Cheers………….. J.
EMAIL TO hUMAX AS PROMISED.
It takes 20years to build a good reputation and ten minutes to blow it!
Do something, fix it, publish an acknowledgment, SAY SORRY, THIS BOX IS RUBBISH!
” I emailed Humax Support 2 weeks ago, no reply. So today decided to telephone them regarding this issue. The guy I spoke said there was only me with this issue and that nobody else had been in touch with them. Can everybody with this problem please email them “
Hi,
First “only me” is total rubbish – everybody with the box has problems. we are all having this and many other problems. Many of us have given the box to charity, put it at the back of a cupboard and gone back to one of older boxes. (I will email HUMAX!(again) on your behalf.
This box is a dog and should be withdrawn or an upgrade issued very quickly.
I have had Humax boxes since they first came on the market twenty-odd years ago, but because of their lack of response to all the details here (and other places, try a general Google, not just this forum) I’ll never buy another Humax box.
Cheers………….. J.
Sorry you are wrong, not everybody has problems, and I most certainly would not describe the unit as a dog, far from it.
I now have 2 x FVP 4000T, one connected to a Philips TV and other to a Sony, neither of them has given me grief when booting from standby whilst recording.
I appreciate your comments and I have no doubt that plenty of owners have no problems but that’s little consolation to those of us who are experiencing a similar problem and there is obviously some sort of inherent fault ,albeit somewhat random -(not all those Vauxhall cars caught fire ! ).
The point is that it would seem Humax has not responded very well.When I telephoned their support line and said that I was having trouble with a 4000T the lady I was speaking to asked me if the problem was ” that it was not coming out of standby ” before I described my problem so they are cbviuosly aware of it and ,indeed, were ready with a suggested solution ,which did not work. All I want to know is Humax able to rectify this problem or not.It would be helpful to know what is being done about it.
Perhaps a list of TV’s (make and model) that do and do not have issues might be a more productive approach. It’s pretty clear the issue is failure to complete HDCP handshake with specific TV’s. Strangely it seems that some TV’s from the same makers work OK and others do not. If anyone uses the box via a AV receiver and has or has not issues posting details of amp and TV could be useful.
On a minor point (but similar), I recently changed my AV receiver from a Sony to a Yamaha Aventage. Both my HDR FOX T2’s and a HDR1000S now produce a short black screen just after replay of a programme finishes as the video switches to the recorded programme list.
grahamlthompson – 1 day ago »
Perhaps a list of TV’s (make and model) that do and do not have issues might be a more productive approach. It’s pretty clear the issue is failure to complete HDCP handshake with specific TV’s. Strangely it seems that some TV’s from the same makers work OK and others do not. If anyone uses the box via a AV receiver and has or has not issues posting details of amp and TV could be useful.
On a minor point (but similar), I recently changed my AV receiver from a Sony to a Yamaha Aventage. Both my HDR FOX T2’s and a HDR1000S now produce a short black screen just after replay of a programme finishes as the video switches to the recorded programme list.
If it is this HDCP handshake, then why does it behave the same when connecting to the SCART input of the TV?
protos55 – 1 hour ago »
grahamlthompson – 1 day ago »
Perhaps a list of TV’s (make and model) that do and do not have issues might be a more productive approach. It’s pretty clear the issue is failure to complete HDCP handshake with specific TV’s. Strangely it seems that some TV’s from the same makers work OK and others do not. If anyone uses the box via a AV receiver and has or has not issues posting details of amp and TV could be useful.
On a minor point (but similar), I recently changed my AV receiver from a Sony to a Yamaha Aventage. Both my HDR FOX T2’s and a HDR1000S now produce a short black screen just after replay of a programme finishes as the video switches to the recorded programme list.
If it is this HDCP handshake, then why does it behave the same when connecting to the SCART input of the TV?
To those having this problem, has anyone tried the 4000T with only a composite/Scart connection (ie. with no HDMI cable connected between box and TV) – does the problem still exist then? If there is “no turn on when recording problem” when there is no HDMI cable connection, this would point to it being a handshake issue. (Away from home at present, so can’t try myself – thanks protos55 for triggering this train of thought).
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