Geoff_T – 2 hours ago  » 

Will do. I didn’t realise that about cross-viewing recordings with a second one, that sounds good If it gets SHMBO’s approval for ease of use when it arrives I’ll definitely get a second one. At that sort of price it’s got to be worth it.

It’s a great shame (possibly due to broadcaster/freeview pressure) they didn’t add this to the newer Freeview+ boxes.

Technology to watch out for: DTCP-IP

When the G2 HDR-100Os boxes were introduced we had great hopes the locked down sharing of content on the new box would allow sharing of content between the the two platforms (like the HDR-FOX-T2). Indeed we were informed that this was the intention. For most of us that was the all we wanted (no intention of pirating content), just wanted to watch and delete.

Sadly it never happened. We got the the DLNA client, but not the capability to freely watch recordings on either box.

Never really understood the reasoning behind this, Both Freeview and Freesat with the paid for epg broadcasters transmit all content without encryption. Any pirate with a decent IQ would know there a many ways of recording transmissions without encryption (DVB-S2 FTA satellite boxes, DVB-S2 cards for HTPC PCs, DVB-T2 cards for PC’s etc.

Faust – 19 minutes ago  » 

Geoff_T – 2 hours ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 26 minutes ago

Pleased you are happy with your HDR-FOX-T2’s

Shame Humax can’t put them back into production.

That would be perfect. The HDR-FOX-T2 seems to be the Concorde of the PVR world!

Well – look what happened to Concorde. Things move on and as far as I can see into the future PVRs are on borrowed time. I suspect that in the very near future everything will be streamed from the cloud. I note the Youview platform is heading in that direction at a pace, similarly SkyQ.

There is a massive difference to providing catch up services and live TV for a few channels to the amount of data traffic and bandwidth requirement that would be generated by the around 500 free to air channels currently transmitted from 28.2E. Let alone the number of people that can only dream of the sort of broadband connection that would be required. Add in the paid for subscription channels brings the number over 900 (960 currently).

By coincidence my 70Mbps Virgin service was off for 3 hrs today, totally unacceptable for a vital PSB service.

So you reckon a Youview box will not need an aerial in the near future ?

Not a snowballs chance in Hell, it could not happen until the majority of the UK have a all fibre service (free for the elderly) with the massive amount of infrastructure required to support it.

Think of a block of flats currently all sharing a single dish with potential access to nearly 1000 channels just from 28.2E and you reckon this is feasible ?

Faust – 11 minutes ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 23 hours ago  » 

Faust – 19 minutes ago  » 

Geoff_T – 2 hours ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 26 minutes ago

Pleased you are happy with your HDR-FOX-T2’s

Shame Humax can’t put them back into production.

That would be perfect. The HDR-FOX-T2 seems to be the Concorde of the PVR world!

Well – look what happened to Concorde. Things move on and as far as I can see into the future PVRs are on borrowed time. I suspect that in the very near future everything will be streamed from the cloud. I note the Youview platform is heading in that direction at a pace, similarly SkyQ.

There is a massive difference to providing catch up services and live TV for a few channels to the amount of data traffic and bandwidth requirement that would be generated by the around 500 free to air channels currently transmitted from 28.2E. Let alone the number of people that can only dream of the sort of broadband connection that would be required. Add in the paid for subscription channels brings the number over 900 (960 currently).

By coincidence my 70Mbps Virgin service was off for 3 hrs today, totally unacceptable for a vital PSB service.

So you reckon a Youview box will not need an aerial in the near future ?

Not a snowballs chance in Hell, it could not happen until the majority of the UK have a all fibre service (free for the elderly) with the massive amount of infrastructure required to support it.

Think of a block of flats currently all sharing a single dish with potential access to nearly 1000 channels just from 28.2E and you reckon this is feasible ?

Well if you look at the tech we have today many of us would never have envisaged it even twenty years ago. The technology industry is littered with examples of ‘must have’ gadgets and services we thought would never be bettered and yet they were. Never say never, especially with tech.

So your near future is 20 yrs or more away and will use yet unknown technology. Doubtful if much of our existing kit will still be working anyway.

Hardly the short time period your post inferred. You made no mention at all that with current technology and the foreseeable development of the UK internet in the year or so would make your post a pipe dream.

Faust – 29 minutes ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago  » 

Faust – 11 minutes ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 23 hours ago  » 

Faust – 19 minutes ago  » 

Geoff_T – 2 hours ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 26 minutes ago

Pleased you are happy with your HDR-FOX-T2’s

Shame Humax can’t put them back into production.

That would be perfect. The HDR-FOX-T2 seems to be the Concorde of the PVR world!

Well – look what happened to Concorde. Things move on and as far as I can see into the future PVRs are on borrowed time. I suspect that in the very near future everything will be streamed from the cloud. I note the Youview platform is heading in that direction at a pace, similarly SkyQ.

There is a massive difference to providing catch up services and live TV for a few channels to the amount of data traffic and bandwidth requirement that would be generated by the around 500 free to air channels currently transmitted from 28.2E. Let alone the number of people that can only dream of the sort of broadband connection that would be required. Add in the paid for subscription channels brings the number over 900 (960 currently).

By coincidence my 70Mbps Virgin service was off for 3 hrs today, totally unacceptable for a vital PSB service.

So you reckon a Youview box will not need an aerial in the near future ?

Not a snowballs chance in Hell, it could not happen until the majority of the UK have a all fibre service (free for the elderly) with the massive amount of infrastructure required to support it.

Think of a block of flats currently all sharing a single dish with potential access to nearly 1000 channels just from 28.2E and you reckon this is feasible ?

Well if you look at the tech we have today many of us would never have envisaged it even twenty years ago. The technology industry is littered with examples of ‘must have’ gadgets and services we thought would never be bettered and yet they were. Never say never, especially with tech.

So your near future is 20 yrs or more away and will use yet unknown technology. Doubtful if much of our existing kit will still be working anyway.

Hardly the short time period your post inferred. You made no mention at all that with current technology and the foreseeable development of the UK internet in the year or so would make your post a pipe dream.

Well SkyQ is now moving more and more content to the cloud. BT Youview will launch their new cloud based platform in spring. I think TalkTalk have already started the rollout. BBC iPlayer will be getting a major facelift in the very near future.

The point I make is that none of us know how we will be accessing content in the short to medium term or how that content might be delivered. I can remember when OnDigital was launched and how it was said then that the amount of channels that could be accommodated would be small due to lack of spectrum. Just look at the Freeview platform now, and that will be changing again before too long.

You mean they are providing one linear UHD channel, I already said IP is fine for a few channels. ONDigital had limited channels because the 3 paid for digital mux had to be accommodated within the existing national analogue UHF service. DSO released most of the spectrum for national digital TV services, and there is little space for expansion till DSO2 moves to DVB-T2 modulation. Quite what relevance to your utopian IP delivered services for everyone baffles me.

Faust – 48 seconds ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 3 hours ago  » 

Faust – 29 minutes ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago  » 

Faust – 11 minutes ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 23 hours ago  » 

Faust – 19 minutes ago  » 

Geoff_T – 2 hours ago  » 

grahamlthompson – 26 minutes ago

Pleased you are happy with your HDR-FOX-T2’s

Shame Humax can’t put them back into production.

That would be perfect. The HDR-FOX-T2 seems to be the Concorde of the PVR world!

Well – look what happened to Concorde. Things move on and as far as I can see into the future PVRs are on borrowed time. I suspect that in the very near future everything will be streamed from the cloud. I note the Youview platform is heading in that direction at a pace, similarly SkyQ.

There is a massive difference to providing catch up services and live TV for a few channels to the amount of data traffic and bandwidth requirement that would be generated by the around 500 free to air channels currently transmitted from 28.2E. Let alone the number of people that can only dream of the sort of broadband connection that would be required. Add in the paid for subscription channels brings the number over 900 (960 currently).

By coincidence my 70Mbps Virgin service was off for 3 hrs today, totally unacceptable for a vital PSB service.

So you reckon a Youview box will not need an aerial in the near future ?

Not a snowballs chance in Hell, it could not happen until the majority of the UK have a all fibre service (free for the elderly) with the massive amount of infrastructure required to support it.

Think of a block of flats currently all sharing a single dish with potential access to nearly 1000 channels just from 28.2E and you reckon this is feasible ?

Well if you look at the tech we have today many of us would never have envisaged it even twenty years ago. The technology industry is littered with examples of ‘must have’ gadgets and services we thought would never be bettered and yet they were. Never say never, especially with tech.

So your near future is 20 yrs or more away and will use yet unknown technology. Doubtful if much of our existing kit will still be working anyway.

Hardly the short time period your post inferred. You made no mention at all that with current technology and the foreseeable development of the UK internet in the year or so would make your post a pipe dream.

Well SkyQ is now moving more and more content to the cloud. BT Youview will launch their new cloud based platform in spring. I think TalkTalk have already started the rollout. BBC iPlayer will be getting a major facelift in the very near future.

The point I make is that none of us know how we will be accessing content in the short to medium term or how that content might be delivered. I can remember when OnDigital was launched and how it was said then that the amount of channels that could be accommodated would be small due to lack of spectrum. Just look at the Freeview platform now, and that will be changing again before too long.

You mean they are providing one linear UHD channel, I already said IP is fine for a few channels. ONDigital had limited channels because the 3 paid for digital mux had to be accommodated within the existing national analogue UHF service. DSO released most of the spectrum for national digital TV services, and there is little space for expansion till DSO2 moves to DVB-T2 modulation. Quite what relevance to your utopian IP delivered services for everyone baffles me.

The gas industry said electric would never catch on. Don’t worry about it, if you think it won’t happen then obviously that’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it.

This thread is now getting totally stupid, suggest a moderator closes it before it gets even more bizarre. Talk about trying to justify an argument. I am unlikely to be around in 20 yrs time, but I do recognise a Star Trek beam me up Scotty argument based on absolutely no current research even based on the highest level of our pretty well established fundamental understanding of the universe based on all forms of detected electromagnetic radiation from anywhere in the universe.

Your post seems to totally ignore even the last century fundamental physics.

Is this a wind up or you do not understand how you can suggest that without a national network of near unlimited internet speeds without a massive investment can achieve the sort of performance required. Sure a 100% fibre network with light limited laser optical performance may get close. Anything with copper connections has no chance, the problem was discovered long ago, mutual inductance and parallel shunt capacitance attenuates high frequency transmission required to transmit large amounts of data severely limits the maximum speed of a metallic data connection. Even a superconducting connection cannot change the fundamental problem of the absolute limits of any metallic connection.

When you understand the limitation between the highest possible frequency and the possible bandwidth you may understand what you state is simply not possible with our current understanding without the highest frequency of Electromagnetic radiation we know about (Light itself) and the capability to handle this sort of frequency directly without having to downshift the frequency to the sort of frequencies (Like a LNB downshifts microwave frequencies, to those that can be coped with a coax cable) even the latest technology has no chance of your expectations.

I take it you have some sort of degree in Physics ? Your post tends to say you have not, even ignoring the currently accepted limits of what is possible.