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Looking at the Exif metadata for the ‘portrait’ photo it is the orientation attribute which is triggering your PC photo viewer to rotate the picture. As the Humax is not using this you would need to rotate the actual picture and not just the metadata.
EXIF — this group of metadata is encoded in 22,168 bytes (21.6k)
Exif Image Size 2,048 × 1,536
Image Description
Y Cb Cr Positioning Co-sited
Exposure Time 1/40
F Number 3.50
Exposure Program Program AE
ISO 200
Exif Version 0221
Date/Time Original 2013:07:02 06:48:05
6 months, 28 days, 21 hours, 37 minutes, 22 seconds ago
Create Date 2013:07:02 06:48:05
6 months, 28 days, 21 hours, 37 minutes, 22 seconds ago
Components Configuration Y, Cb, Cr, –
Compressed Bits Per Pixel 4
Exposure Compensation 0
Max Aperture Value 3.5
Metering Mode Multi-segment
Light Source Unknown
Flash Off, Did not fire
Focal Length 6.3 mm
Exposure Mode Auto
Maker Note Sony (9,916 bytes binary data)
Flashpix Version 0100
Color Space sRGB
Interoperability Index R98 – DCF basic file (sRGB)
Interoperability Version 0100
File Source Digital Camera
Scene Type Directly photographed
Custom Rendered Normal
White Balance Auto
Scene Capture Type Standard
Contrast Normal
Saturation Normal
Sharpness Normal
Print Image Matching PrintIM%000300%00%00%02%00%02%00%01%00%00%00%01%01%01%00%00%00
Compression JPEG (old-style)
Make SONY
Camera Model Name DSC-H20
Orientation Rotate 90 CW
Modify Date 2013:07:02 06:48:05
6 months, 28 days, 21 hours, 37 minutes, 22 seconds ago
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Thumbnail Length 11,340
There’s more going on here than meets the eye
Loaded your original clips onto a usb stick,
Sony Bravia shows correct orientation and aspect ratio.
HDR1000s and HDR FOX T2 shows both clips in landscape format.
Windows Explorer (7) (set to display thumbnails) shows portrait image as a landscape image. Right clicking and choosing rotate followed by recopying the images to usb corrects the problem.
Next I cropped the images to 1920 x 1080 using photoshop.
This for the landscape image should show a full screen image that exactly fits the TV (if overscan is turned off).
The TV displays this perfectly. Both the Humax boxes resample the image downward so it does not fit the display.
Next cropped the landscape image to 16cm x 9cm with an unspecified resolution (resulting in a 2048 x 1152 pixel image).
Again the TV shows a perfect full screen image, both the Humax boxes again do not produce a full screen 1920 x 1080 image.
Files here so you can see what I mean
Graham,
Thanks, You state that in Windows 7 you had to rotate the picture to get it into correct orientation, this appears strange as on my computer, using windows 7 it shows correctly, with View set to Large icons.
Also have you any ideas on how to get Portrait pictures to show correctly on the HDR & also the same problem exists when I view from a CD?
Or is there some non compatibility between Windows 7/The HDR/My CD Player?
Also must say thanks for the time you have spent on the problem.
AS I said once I right clicked on the image using windows explorer it then displayed correctly. Here’s your original images as downloaded.
[attachment=24783,326]
By far the best way to show off your photographs is to use a video editing programme to create a High Definition 16:9 mp4 file which will play as a file from usb. You can create your own motion effects, add transistions and your own music very easily. If you want to zip up a few photos I knock up a simple example in a few minutes. Windows Movie Maker could do this but it’s not the best software to do this by a million miles.
Edit: Comment removed as I’ve noticed another inconsistancy and wish to analyse it.
Perhaps I’m confusing thinks as I’m not totally up to this technology so please bear with me!
I have just done two trials
1 Turned some Portrait pictures on windows 7 counter clockwise
D/Loaded to USB
Viewed on HDR
The portrait pictures came out on their side ie out of phase by 90 degrees.
2 Put portrait pictures back to correct orientation on windows 7
Downloaded to USB
Viewed on HDR
Portrait pictures still came out on side.
So it seems that there is no way of getting portrait pictures on windows 7 to show correctly on the HDR, correct?
I had no issues at all once I rotated it. Have you downloaded your original (now rotated) from the link I posted ?
In addition stick this short video onto a usb stick and play it back on your box.
grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago »
I had no issues at all once I rotated it. Have you downloaded your original (now rotated) from the link I posted ?
In addition stick this short video onto a usb stick and play it back on your box.
No I went back to the original image on my computer file for the tests.
The pure fact is, I think, that the HDR does not show Portrait pictures correctly.
Luke appears to have this opinion as well.
I would just like to know why.
Thanks for your short video it’s very good.
johnooooo – 36 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago »
I had no issues at all once I rotated it. Have you downloaded your original (now rotated) from the link I posted ?
In addition stick this short video onto a usb stick and play it back on your box.
No I went back to the original image on my computer file for the tests.
The pure fact is, I think, that the HDR does not show Portrait pictures correctly.
Luke appears to have this opinion as well.
I would just like to know why.
Thanks for your short video it’s very good.
It does display portrait files, download the compressed zip file I posted, copy your original file from the archive (which is untouched apart from the rotation) and copy it to a usb stick. Now view it on your box.
Luke did not have this opinion either. If you really want me to I can photograph your original image untouched in portrait format using a HDR FOX T2., or upload it as one off so you can download it.
All I did was create a folder on my PC from the start/explore option and right click at the folder level, I wanted to create the new folder. Copied your file to it from my default download folder (as the screen grab I posted). Open the new folder (start/explore) right click on the portrait image and apply the rotate. I then copied from this folder to a usb stick, the resulting image was correctly orientated.
I suspect your problem is lack of familiarity with Windows.
Download this file, copy as is to a usb stick and view it using your HDR FOX T2.
https://www.adrive.com/public/2nxDMs/DSC02842.JPG
Is it the right way up ?
All I did was copy your file to a different folder, locate the image in the folder (start/explore) and right click to correct the orientation. I just uploaded the same file without any other steps (Had you downloaded the original file within the zip archive, windows can open multiple files within a compressed archive natively, you should have had the same result).
If it’s not the right way up then baffled.
Graham, Yes I agree it is the right way up.
Also I agree that the problem could be that I am not totally up with windows.
When I plug my camera into the computer to download pictures it all happens automatically.
Tomorrow if I have time I am going to take some test pictures & do a download onto the computer & see if I can find where I am going wrong.
Does your camera have a SD card onto which you save your photographs. Does your computer have a card reader slot for a SD card ?
johnooooo – 16 hours ago »
The pure fact is, I think, that the HDR does not show Portrait pictures correctly.
Luke appears to have this opinion as well.
The HDR can show portrait jpeg but the underlying picture has to be portrait. The cause of the issue is that the camera puts everything in landscape and then adds a tag to say “Oh by the way when you display this picture it will need to be rotated”. The HDR does not take any notice of that tag. And neither does Graham’s or my version of Windows Photo Viewer.
I’ve tried rotating the ‘portrait’ picture with Windows Photo Viewer and my version does change the underlying picture to portrait, and it also sets the display tag to ‘no rotation or flipping’. My HDRs does then display it as portrait.
If I rotate it back again using Windows Photo Viewer it changes the underlying picture back to landscape but keeps the tag as ‘no rotation or flipping’.
johnooooo – 22 hours ago »
The Landscape item when I turned it through 90 degrees on the computer & saved to a USB still showed in the correct manner.
That indicates that whatever you are using to rotate the picture changed the tag but not the underlying picture.
Wikipedia still seems to think that “The Windows Photo Viewer does not honor the EXIF orientation info in an image file while displaying”. I suspect that it is not Windows Photo Viewer that you are using to view and rotate but some other app E.g. Picasa.
Luke/Graham,
With your great help I think the problem is solved.
I went into Windows Photoviewer & rotated all Portrait pictures 90 degrees clockwise.
If you then download these to a USB & show on a HDR the problem still exists.
But:-
If you then go back into Photoviwer & rotate the Portrait pictures to their original orientation, then download to a USB when shown on a HDR they show the correct way up.
Think that’s it
Many thanks for all of the help
I am glad to hear that you have got it to work for you.
I was a bit surprised that Windows Photo Viewer always resets the Exif flag.
There are also some Photo management applications that will automatically rejig the photos when you load them on to a PC so that devices like the HDR will always work.
E.g. http://www.impulseadventure.com/photo/flow-import-dlpro.html
Page down that link to the section titled “EXIF Orientation and Downloader Pro”
I had a look at the documentation for both of the Sony photo management suites associated with your camera but couldn’t find anything that would do it automatically using the Sony software.
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