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February 6, 2021 at 12:40 am #102262
Martin Liddle
Participantjons1.smith – 5 hours ago »
I have a male to female cable. It could be faulty as some of the pins seem to be wired unusually (not that I know what usual is here!) – please could you let me know exactly which each of the 9 pins on each side should be connected and how? Thank you!
You want pin 2 at first end connected to pin 3 at the second end; pin 3 at first end to pin 2 at other end and pin 5 at one end connected to pin 5 at the other end. No other pins are required for this specific task.
February 6, 2021 at 10:11 am #102263Anonymous
InactiveSo starting with the male connectors on my null modem cable, and going to the corresponding connections on the female side – I have the following connections:
1 – not connected
2 – 3
3 – 2
4 – 6
5 – 5
6 – 4
7 – 8
8 – 7
9 – not connected
So I think the cable is ok for what we are tying to do here.
Are there some more things I can try? Is there something more basic I have missed?
Many thanks for the help!
February 6, 2021 at 12:10 pm #102264Martin Liddle
Participantjons1.smith – 1 hour ago »
So I think the cable is ok for what we are tying to do here.
My original answer to the question appears to have got lost. I agree the cable should be fine although my test cable only has pins 2,3 and 5 connected.
Are there some more things I can try?
I take it that you have flash9200 running and counting down and then you are switching on the mains power to the 9300T? Flash9200 has been very widely used so I am struggling to understand your problem.
Is there something more basic I have missed?
Really hard to say; can you describe in excruciating detail what you are doing please?
February 6, 2021 at 6:07 pm #102265Anonymous
InactiveHi Martin,
I have tried a few things, and one of them was to plug my USB to serial converter directly into the PVR – and not using the null modem cable (..maybe when you have a usb to male serial converter the null modem cable isn’t necessary?)
On running Flash9200 something happened very quickly and the PVR said ‘MENU’. Please see Flash9200debug_log.txt attached.
I guessed that I should try the upgrade again using the ‘slow’ option and more seems to have happened this time.
Please see attached debug_slow_.txt.
I plugged the PVR into the aerial and TV and powered on. The PVR ended up saying MENU and on the TV it ended up doing an automatic channel search with the progressing bar. SO far so good, however on rebooting the PVR unfortunately now goes into an endless reboot cycle like this:
0 – Power on
1 – Cooling Fan starts
2 – TV shows ‘loader version a4.37’ and a progress bar, then TV screen blank
3 – PVR-9300T appears on the PVR for a few seconds
4 – BBC One Oxford appears on the PVR for half a second then goes blank
5 – Fan goes off
back to 1 again and endlessly looping.
I am quite encouraged actually and I am wondering if it would be a good idea to try using humaxrw to troubleshoot the endless reboot cycle (I saw somewhere that one of the options to try is ‘humaxrw 1: -z’. I am happy to be guided by you as to the next thing to do though!
Many thanks for all your time and support.
February 6, 2021 at 10:19 pm #102266Martin Liddle
Participantjons1.smith – 4 hours ago »
I have tried a few things, and one of them was to plug my USB to serial converter directly into the PVR – and not using the null modem cable (..maybe when you have a usb to male serial converter the null modem cable isn’t necessary?)
Well done; I hadn’t realised you had a USB to serial with a male connector. They are quite rare in my experience as most are designed to have the same connector as an IBM PC. I think you have very clearly demonstrated that the cable isn’t necessary in this case.
On running Flash9200 something happened very quickly and the PVR said ‘MENU’.
It will happen very quickly as the amount of data to be uploaded is tiny.
I guessed that I should try the upgrade again using the ‘slow’ option and more seems to have happened this time.
No need but no harm done.
I am quite encouraged actually and I am wondering if it would be a good idea to try using humaxrw to troubleshoot the endless reboot cycle (I saw somewhere that one of the options to try is ‘humaxrw 1: -z’. I am happy to be guided by you as to the next thing to do though!
With the aerial out, see if you can get to the Menu and do a reset to default settings would be the first thing I would try.
I thought you said earlier you had already tried humaxrw -Z if not then try again? I doubt it will help but you could try reinstalling the firmware now you have a working flash9200. You can download the software from http://beta.humaxonline.co.uk/freeview-sd
It is a long time since I have used one of these boxes; is there anybody else who has suggestions as to what else to try (Luke, xyz321)?
February 9, 2021 at 3:23 pm #102267Anonymous
InactiveThanks Martin. without trying anything further, my box again now just goes back to standby. It has stopped continually rebooting.
I took the disc out again but now for some reason it is showing as ‘not initialized’ so I can’t see it in explorer or run Humaxrw against it.
I am just running windows update on my Windows laptop just in case that helps. I may also see if I can use a utility like disk drill that may help. In the mean time I’m feeling rather stuck!
I could try rerunning Flash9200 but I am not sure how long it will be before my machine forgets and goes back to either continually rebooting or goes back to just going straight into standby.
I could reinstall the firmware.
Regarding the disc, if it is corrupted somehow, I suppose I could forget the recordings and see if I can revive the machine this time with just an empty/reformatted disc to record to?
Thanks.
February 9, 2021 at 4:07 pm #102268Anonymous
InactiveFurther to this, I uploaded the new firmware, but it didn’t seem to help. I uploaded the other .hdf and that managed to reset things so it could retune could retune, view TV channels, etc. I kept the disc disconnected and this worked fine until I powered it off and on again.
It seems to have forgotten the new .hdf and again just goes to standby rather than showing TV channels. Do the .hdf files get loaded to part of the hardware that is kept alive by battery power? This is such an old box that such a battery would long ago have expired? If there is such a thing, is there a replacement part for it?
Alternatively, I am wondering if this PVR is past it and is ready for the bin?! Thanks.
February 9, 2021 at 5:54 pm #102269Martin Liddle
Participantjons1.smith – 2 hours ago »
I took the disc out again but now for some reason it is showing as ‘not initialized’ so I can’t see it in explorer or run Humaxrw against it.
You do not want it initialised and you will never be able to see it using Windows Explorer. The file system used by the 9200/9300 models is proprietary to Humax and you need to use Humaxrw to see what is on the drive.
I am just running windows update on my Windows laptop just in case that helps. I may also see if I can use a utility like disk drill that may help. In the mean time I’m feeling rather stuck!
It won’t help.
I could try rerunning Flash9200 but I am not sure how long it will be before my machine forgets and goes back to either continually rebooting or goes back to just going straight into standby.
Have you used humaxrw to delete epgsave.dat ?
I could reinstall the firmware.
No point.
Regarding the disc, if it is corrupted somehow, I suppose I could forget the recordings and see if I can revive the machine this time with just an empty/reformatted disc to record to?
If you have a spare drive lying around it is worth trying.
February 9, 2021 at 6:00 pm #102270Martin Liddle
Participantjons1.smith – 1 hour ago »
Further to this, I uploaded the new firmware, but it didn’t seem to help. I uploaded the other .hdf and that managed to reset things so it could retune could retune, view TV channels, etc. I kept the disc disconnected and this worked fine until I powered it off and on again.
So near and yet so far.
It seems to have forgotten the new .hdf and again just goes to standby rather than showing TV channels. Do the .hdf files get loaded to part of the hardware that is kept alive by battery power?
No battery needed, it is flash RAM.
This is such an old box that such a battery would long ago have expired? If there is such a thing, is there a replacement part for it?
Alternatively, I am wondering if this PVR is past it and is ready for the bin?!
I am beginning to think the Flash RAM is end of life. There have been several reports of problems with 9300T (and not for other models) which I have long suspected are flash RAM failures. In my view if the flash RAM has failed then the box is scrap. But if you have a spare drive try with that first before scrapping. Sorry if I have wasted your time.
February 10, 2021 at 12:36 pm #102271Anonymous
InactiveThanks Martin.
I tried putting in a spare disc as you advised. It offered to format it and worked perfectly. Watching TV, recording programs, playing them back, all perfect.
I guessed that if the box was suddenly feeling well, that I could copy the programs off the original disc onto the new disc and everything would be ok.
Unfortunately on powering off and on, the Flash RAM has forgotten everything and I am back in standby.
From here I am thinking I could see if anyone has an old 9300 with at least a working Flash that they would like to donate, and I could then proceed with figuring out how to copy the programs onto a spare disc and get that going.
The alternative is trying to persuade Dad to upgrade his broadband, learn to use BBC iplayer, Prime video etc. I know the titles he recorded because I can see them using Humaxrw. I can find most of the same content (and more) online.
Martin, thank you so much for your patience, help and support. I don’t consider myself a technical person so it has been quite an education to get me to the point of trying everything possible and come to a certain conclusion.
I have enjoyed using Flash9200 and Humaxrw.
Many thanks again, the help from this great forum has been very much appreciated.
February 10, 2021 at 2:52 pm #102272Martin Liddle
Participantjons1.smith – 2 hours ago »
I tried putting in a spare disc as you advised. It offered to format it and worked perfectly. Watching TV, recording programs, playing them back, all perfect.
I guessed that if the box was suddenly feeling well, that I could copy the programs off the original disc onto the new disc and everything would be ok.
Unfortunately on powering off and on, the Flash RAM has forgotten everything and I am back in standby.
I think that is pretty conclusive, pity.
From here I am thinking I could see if anyone has an old 9300 with at least a working Flash that they would like to donate, and I could then proceed with figuring out how to copy the programs onto a spare disc and get that going.
Have you considered a refurbished HDR-2000T from Humax Direct for £89 with a years warranty? My technophobic partner found the step from a 9200T (very similar user interface to a 9300T) to and HDR-2000T pretty straightforward and the HDR-2000T is a more competent PVR thatn the 9300T.
February 10, 2021 at 3:54 pm #102273Anonymous
InactiveThanks Martin – do you know if it uses the same format for the disc recordings? – i.e. could I copy recorded programs from the old 9300 disc onto a disc being used in a 2000-T?
February 10, 2021 at 5:54 pm #102274Martin Liddle
Participantjons1.smith – 1 hour ago »
Thanks Martin – do you know if it uses the same format for the disc recordings? – i.e. could I copy recorded programs from the old 9300 disc onto a disc being used in a 2000-T?
The HDR-2000T will play the .ts files. The other files associated with a recording are not the same on the HDR-2000T so you will lose some functionality on playback but they will play.
February 10, 2021 at 6:59 pm #102275Anonymous
InactiveThanks – useful to know!
February 15, 2021 at 6:25 pm #102276Anonymous
InactiveHi Martin, I now have a HDR-2000T and it looks like a good machine.
I would like to copy the programs from the old 9300 disk to the new disk.
Would you advise that I do a direct backup of all the files – i.e. use humaxrw 2: 3: -b
Alternatively is recovery mode better – presumably humaxrw 2: 3: -r ?
Is there anything else you would advise?
Many thanks
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