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Faust – 3 minutes ago »
Luke – 14 hours ago »
Faust – 6 hours ago »
Interesting Minstral – hope your investigations and alterations prove useful.
As an aside I recently got one of THESE I got mine free as I have subscribed to BT for 12 months – cost £60.
This box is basically a 2000T albeit in a much smaller case.
Really? I would have thought that the T2100/T2100 would be closer to a T2000 rather than a 2000T.
From my reading about both models on various forums they basically share the same underpinnings. Similar to Skoda Fabia VW Polo etc.
The point is that if you are happy to use Youview and why wouldn’t you be, then it’s possibly a better buy in terms of compactness silence etc. Plus at £60 (years subscription) whence the box is yours, it’s also a bargain as it will continue to work even if you no longer subscribe, albeit you will lose the subscription only channels.
Oh yes Faust. I do wish I had bought another model. I was brand loyal to Humax and nothing else in the price area grabbed me. The Panasonic was uninspiring and the Humax looked a good buy as I didnt know about any possible issues.
I tried Youview on a Huawei 360 unit but didnt warm to it much as I thought I wont use it. Its a fairly good feature to have there though. I tend to use BBC i player when I need to go back
If I get this 2000 sorted I will be content. It has caused me a lot of stress over the months though as I dont like making bad buys. Really I should have taken it back after the first day
They caught me on this one and I got a bit confused. Ive lost my warranty but worse things happen at sea.
Minstrel SE – 10 hours ago »
Faust – 3 minutes ago »
Luke – 14 hours ago »
Faust – 6 hours ago »
Interesting Minstral – hope your investigations and alterations prove useful.
As an aside I recently got one of THESE I got mine free as I have subscribed to BT for 12 months – cost £60.
This box is basically a 2000T albeit in a much smaller case.
Really? I would have thought that the T2100/T2100 would be closer to a T2000 rather than a 2000T.
From my reading about both models on various forums they basically share the same underpinnings. Similar to Skoda Fabia VW Polo etc.
The point is that if you are happy to use Youview and why wouldn’t you be, then it’s possibly a better buy in terms of compactness silence etc. Plus at £60 (years subscription) whence the box is yours, it’s also a bargain as it will continue to work even if you no longer subscribe, albeit you will lose the subscription only channels.
Oh yes Faust. I do wish I had bought another model. I was brand loyal to Humax and nothing else in the price area grabbed me. The Panasonic was uninspiring and the Humax looked a good buy as I didnt know about any possible issues.
I tried Youview on a Huawei 360 unit but didnt warm to it much as I thought I wont use it. Its a fairly good feature to have there though. I tend to use BBC i player when I need to go back
If I get this 2000 sorted I will be content. It has caused me a lot of stress over the months though as I dont like making bad buys. Really I should have taken it back after the first day
They caught me on this one and I got a bit confused. Ive lost my warranty but worse things happen at sea.
The BT version is a Humax – a totally silent one.
Faust – 1 hour ago »
Minstrel SE – 10 hours ago »
Faust – 3 minutes ago »
Luke – 14 hours ago »
Faust – 6 hours ago »
Interesting Minstral – hope your investigations and alterations prove useful.
As an aside I recently got one of THESE I got mine free as I have subscribed to BT for 12 months – cost £60.
This box is basically a 2000T albeit in a much smaller case.
Really? I would have thought that the T2100/T2100 would be closer to a T2000 rather than a 2000T.
From my reading about both models on various forums they basically share the same underpinnings. Similar to Skoda Fabia VW Polo etc.
The point is that if you are happy to use Youview and why wouldn’t you be, then it’s possibly a better buy in terms of compactness silence etc. Plus at £60 (years subscription) whence the box is yours, it’s also a bargain as it will continue to work even if you no longer subscribe, albeit you will lose the subscription only channels.
Oh yes Faust. I do wish I had bought another model. I was brand loyal to Humax and nothing else in the price area grabbed me. The Panasonic was uninspiring and the Humax looked a good buy as I didnt know about any possible issues.
I tried Youview on a Huawei 360 unit but didnt warm to it much as I thought I wont use it. Its a fairly good feature to have there though. I tend to use BBC i player when I need to go back
If I get this 2000 sorted I will be content. It has caused me a lot of stress over the months though as I dont like making bad buys. Really I should have taken it back after the first day
They caught me on this one and I got a bit confused. Ive lost my warranty but worse things happen at sea.
The BT version is a Humax – a totally silent one.
Yes and Humax do generally get it right but they seem to have some quality control or build issues with the 2000T. As I study it more the red cable is a nonsense and I will route it down through some sticky back cable lugs with cable ties.
My unit isnt a one off in terms of the noise fault. I could only assume it was a faulty hard drive but I now find its some combination of what the lid has been in contact with
I didnt find their customer service particularly helpful although they were right when saying the model should be quiet.
Im possibly being a bit harsh on them as the usual process is to be refered back to the shop but I couldnt face that shop again. I was confused and I havent bought a faulty product in a long while. I also saw stories that people had got another one which was just as noisy.
I may report my findings to Humax but then again I cant really be bothered having sacrified the two year warranty. I bank on it lasting anyway and I certainly wont damage it by opening it.
Best wishes to everyone on the forum
Hi Minstrel. I have one of those whisper quiet HDR 2000T’s and looking at your pics I may see a reason why.
It looks like Humax have been cost cutting again, this time with the hard drive caddy. Yours just seems like an open piece of plastic with the drive screwed onto it, whereas in my old 2000T the disk is held in a more enclosed caddy that has rubber dampers where you screw the drive in place.
One end of the caddy also has a fan installed which sits against that hole in the outer box. It’s very similar, if not identical to the one in my Foxsat HDR
I think your cheaper caddy is probably causing vibration issues and thus making the box seem a whole lot noisier.
Here’s pic of the caddy in my 2000T.
and removed from the case you can see the rubber dampers to help stop vibration.
Aaah Thanks black knight.
Thats very interesting and that looks a much better caddy with sound shielding, rubber dampers and the cable is properly routed down and secured.
Yes they have been cost cutting since then and its not acceptable when its clearly likely to affect the quality of performance noise.
On mine they have used a combined plastic drive connnector for the data and power cables…taking the data cable vertically up straight towards the lid which is daft
I havent taken my drive out yet but I bet theres no damping in the mounts. It just looks like a cheap flexi plastic shelf bolted straight onto a very thin casing.
The red cable was forced down by the lid so it was angled and touching the hard drive at a point of maximum stiffness. The lid isnt far above so the drive the case and the lid are all pretty much connected.
I have yet to do further tests but I reckon that was just amplifying it straight into a lid which is barely 1mm thick and acting like a membrane or drum skin. Its also been travelling through the mounts to the casing
Your picture shows how they have since been cutting corners and cutting costs. Its not on really and their main customer service policy seems to be deny everything and refer me to the shop. If all the later 2000ts are made like mine how was I supposed to get a quieter one next time??
Best wishes
That is indeed very interesting and a significant difference in design. I would say without doubt Humax appear to have added further cost cutting measures to a product that was already cut to the bone.
I suppose in their defence Humax will argue they have to make them to ‘a price’ in order to make a profit. Well that’s all well and good but the product should meet certain standards and one wonders what those standards now are.
Pity you can’t see one of the Humax BT Youview models in operation Minstrel as I am really pleased with the performance of mine – much better than my 2000T.
Yes I spent all day today revamping it and have put the lid back on to find its noisy again tonight. Maybe a bit quieter but It seems to be something to do with the casing and lid. I really thought I was on to something with the damping and proofing I have already done
If I really squeeze the lid an casing at the other end I can damp it down so its something to do with the whole cheap unit working against itself.
This product will send me into madness
The lid will be coming off again tomorrowThey have cut it to the bone buts it a trend that must stop. I would have happily paid more if thats what was necessary for a good product.
I thought with their economies of scale that they could do it for this price They cant and when you factor in that £30 of it is VAT, to make a marging they are building them for very little indeed.
Very interesting to see both older and newer boxes with lids off.
The newer fvp4000t is quiet and has the drive bolted directly to the case, but the case is made out of plastic.
What the box is sitting on will also have an influence on resonated noise. I don’t think rubber spacers will have much effect as the drive is still directly bolted.
What happens if you leave the lid off and simply turn the box upside down? Add a blob of blu-tack to each corner to help further.
It would be interesting Minstrel just as an experiment if you had a spare 2.5″ Laptop HDD to pop that in an see what difference it would make.
Having read your post I have just picked up my new BT Youview box and placed it directly against my ear. The noise is almost imperceptible. Again this is in a plastic case with a 2.5″ HDD.
Yes And Im going to have to take this more seriously now.
The plastic shelf is just rubbish and Ive tried to damp it from the case
Even damping the drive is difficult because its connected at the edge ridges of the hard drive which just groove into the dampers at normal torque.
Im looking for dampers as rubber washers are next to useless. I just thought any layer would be better than nothing.
I will try another hard drive when I get round to it. I have 2.5 drives but dont know if they will fit on that power connector.
The lid is off tonight and its quiet and not bothering me. Im about to set it to record two channels to give it maximum noise potential.
Im going to damp eveywhere the lid touches with strips of compression foam over the top edges.
I still dont understand why its head noise I can hear. Maybe only a change of hard drive will prove things once and for all
Minstrel SE – 18 minutes ago »
Yes And Im going to have to take this more seriously now.
The plastic shelf is just rubbish and Ive tried to damp it from the case
Even damping the drive is difficult because its connected at the edge ridges of the hard drive which just groove into the dampers at normal torque.
Im looking for dampers as rubber washers are next to useless. I just thought any layer would be better than nothing.
I will try another hard drive when I get round to it. I have 2.5 drives but dont know if they will fit on that power connector.
The lid is off tonight and its quiet and not bothering me. Im about to set it to record two channels to give it maximum noise potential.
Im going to damp eveywhere the lid touches with strips of compression foam over the top edges.
I still dont understand why its head noise I can hear. Maybe only a change of hard drive will prove things once and for all
Do you have a spare 3.5″ HDD to hand? Although not a proper PVR AV drive you could nonetheless drop a PC drive in there simply to see if the existing drive is the issue, or is it as you seem to believe the case.
Yes Its definately the lid as Ive sat on the floor lifting the lid slighty to fully off and it reduced the noise right down especially with the front slot of the lid taken out from the front.
Ive already foamed certain areas and the lip has a thick paper stuck on lining.
So far Ive found that cables touching the lid wasnt the problem but cant have helped.
The lid amplifies the noise to the unacceptable levels. Lid off its acceptable but obviously I cant use a unit with the lid off.
The drive may be noiser than other drives but in itself doesnt appear to be the noise problem without the casing amplifying it.
So the next step is cushioning for the lid whereever it may touch the metal sides and more paper padding round the front lip.
I do have a seagate 160gb 3.5 drive and im just worried if I have to format it whether it will mean I have to format the 500 when it goes back in and lose all my recordings. It seems to have different connectors as they dont seem to have a standard set up on the 500gb drive
Nightmare this but it will be sorted even if I have to buy something else
As far as I am aware your existing Humax drive would not be affected in any way by you slotting in a ‘new’ HDD. It would format that HDD but providing you have nothing on there that you want then it doesn’t matter.
You would only be doing this as a brief test. Even though you say your current Humax drive appears okay, it could be that the noise from the HDD is just on the right frequency to set up a harmonic with the box acting as an amplifier.
Given you already have the lid off I can’t see you have anything to lose by trying another HDD.
Minstrel SE – 12 hours ago »
Yes Its definately the lid as Ive sat on the floor lifting the lid slighty to fully off and it reduced the noise right down especially with the front slot of the lid taken out from the front.
Ive already foamed certain areas and the lip has a thick paper stuck on lining.
So far Ive found that cables touching the lid wasnt the problem but cant have helped.
The lid amplifies the noise to the unacceptable levels. Lid off its acceptable but obviously I cant use a unit with the lid off.
The drive may be noiser than other drives but in itself doesnt appear to be the noise problem without the casing amplifying it.
So the next step is cushioning for the lid whereever it may touch the metal sides and more paper padding round the front lip.
I do have a seagate 160gb 3.5 drive and im just worried if I have to format it whether it will mean I have to format the 500 when it goes back in and lose all my recordings. It seems to have different connectors as they dont seem to have a standard set up on the 500gb drive
Nightmare this but it will be sorted even if I have to buy something else
Your spare drive if it doesn’t have the same connectors is likely to be a PATA (ake IDE) drive and unsuitable for your box which requires a SATA (Serial) drive.
Does it look like this ?
My goodness, IDE drives, I thought they were something that you now only see on the Antiques Roadshow.
I disassembled about half a dozen of those last year – big lump hammer.
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