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January 12, 2016 at 1:52 pm #67964
Anonymous
InactiveSo I was wondering
if the FVP4000T’s (proximate) origin down south could be a factor in these seemingly inconsistent timer problems.Freeview Australia uses a Now and Following system but apparently the info as provided by the broadcasters is unreliable. (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/gadgets-on-the-go/aussie-broadcasters-are-winning-the-war-of-attrition-against-ad-evasion-20151015-gkaihv.html)
If so, I wonder if the 4Tune has a different default strategy to cope with scheduling changes? Necessitating modification, for the FVP4000T, to adapt to the UK environment. Which might explain why the older Humax Freeview recorders manage C5’s erratic timing better (apparently) than the FVP4000T.
January 12, 2016 at 2:40 pm #67965Anonymous
InactiveGraham
Quote:I have set the 5 USA recordings, the programme I found on Thursday is scheduled at 23:00 (presumably it’s the one you are having issues with)Yes it is. I don’t see how ******* ****** 5 USA could organise a proverbial p*ss up in a brewery, let alone get timing or other EPG stuff correct! (I don’t know why, but I removed the asterisked adjectives which I had used to describe 5 USA.)
The series was called New: Law and Order, and the series recording ended with last week’s episode on Thur 7 January.
The episode on Thur 14 January appears to be the next in the series, but ******* ****** 5 USA has set it up as a completely different programme, now called Law and Order, and with a new series link!!!
I thought the series had ended with the Thur 7 Jan episode because there were no more series linked programmes. But no, it continues …
I can only think it must be total and complete incompetence by 5 USA.
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January 12, 2016 at 2:49 pm #67966Anonymous
InactiveOn my 9200T, the problem is different.
I think the 9200T picks up the change in the programme information banner, so I tend to get the beginning OK, but lose the end of programmes because the broadcaster brings on the information banner for the next programme well before the previous programme ends. C5 and 5 USA are the worst offenders.
It also means that the banner is often empty in the recording, or wrong, when I get the banner for a different programme to that recorded.
January 12, 2016 at 3:43 pm #67967Anonymous
InactiveI too am a fan of Law & Order and other 5USA series and have found exactly the same problem recently. It also appears to be recording all the repeats of the same programmes too.
I have now converted my Channel 5/5USA ‘Series Record’ schedule to a weekly time-slot schedule and will see if that works out as well on the 4000T as is did on my 9200T.
January 12, 2016 at 4:10 pm #67968grahamlthompson
ParticipantStephenesque – 23 minutes ago »
I too am a fan of Law & Order and other 5USA series and have found exactly the same problem recently. It also appears to be recording all the repeats of the same programmes too.
I have now converted my Channel 5/5USA ‘Series Record’ schedule to a weekly time-slot schedule and will see if that works out as well on the 4000T as is did on my 9200T.
Recording repeated episodes is a typical Channel 5 screw up. They give the same series crid to repeats but give a different program crid. The box is told it’s a different episode so it records it. They used to do this all the time with the Ozzie lunchtime soaps. At long last they seem to have figured out how to properly code these 😯
January 12, 2016 at 4:13 pm #67969Anonymous
InactiveGraham
Yes – me too. It got terrible just before Xmas when I seemed to be deleting C5 and 5 USA “unwanted repeats of the identical episode” every week.
My brewery analogy still seems appropriate.
January 12, 2016 at 7:46 pm #67970Anonymous
InactiveJohnH77 – 4 hours ago »
Graham
Quote:I have set the 5 USA recordings, the programme I found on Thursday is scheduled at 23:00 (presumably it’s the one you are having issues with)Yes it is. I don’t see how ******* ****** 5 USA could organise a proverbial p*ss up in a brewery, let alone get timing or other EPG stuff correct! (I don’t know why, but I removed the asterisked adjectives which I had used to describe 5 USA.)
The series was called New: Law and Order, and the series recording ended with last week’s episode on Thur 7 January.
The episode on Thur 14 January appears to be the next in the series, but ******* ****** 5 USA has set it up as a completely different programme, now called Law and Order, and with a new series link!!!
I thought the series had ended with the Thur 7 Jan episode because there were no more series linked programmes. But no, it continues …
I can only think it must be total and complete incompetence by 5 USA.
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I know what you mean; the C5 channels can be so frustrating.
Tonight’s 9pm episode of Law & Order SVU says that it is S14Ep13 on the 4000T’s EPG, but doesn’t say that it’s ‘New’. Checking to see if this was in fact a new episode I went to the C5 website where it says that it is episode 11, even though episode 12 was broadcast last week.
The website also says that tonight’s episode was previously broadcast on the 22nd of December!
In this instance the EPG is correct according to IMDB, it is episode 13 and is new, and hopefully my ‘weekly repeat’ schedule will record all of it
January 13, 2016 at 9:17 am #67971Barry
ModeratorLast nights test of ‘Law and Order Special Victims Unit’
On all units starts at end credits for previous programme, about 2 mins 30 secs before actual programme starts. Complete programme recorded with approx. 2 minutes extra.
Total programme length 62 minutes.
Will continue with the tests.
January 13, 2016 at 10:02 am #67972grahamlthompson
ParticipantSame outcome HDR FOX T2.
January 13, 2016 at 11:52 am #67973Anonymous
InactiveSame outcome for my (original poster) FVP-4000T.
While I would like to think that my complaints have already bourne fruit
I wonder if 5 USA is still mucking it up? SVU contains the credits for the previous programme – I wonder if that means that, had I recorded it, I would have lost them?How difficult can it be to understand that you need to set the START timing mark when the programme starts; and you set the END timing mark when the program ends. Surely even a three year old can grasp the idea?
Why can’t 5 USA get its head round this simple concept!
January 13, 2016 at 12:16 pm #67974Anonymous
InactiveSince the results were consistent across three users and a remarkable number of units, it seems likely that the couple of minutes before and after is standard padding and the programme played within its scheduled EPG time and AR adjustments were not needed.
January 13, 2016 at 12:25 pm #67975Anonymous
InactiveJohnH77 – 30 minutes ago »
How difficult can it be to understand that you need to set the START timing mark when the programme starts; and you set the END timing mark when the program ends. Surely even a three year old can grasp the idea?
Why can’t 5 USA get its head round this simple concept!
Surely the program starts when the previous one finishes, and, ipso facto, ends when the next one starts.
January 13, 2016 at 12:39 pm #67976grahamlthompson
ParticipantBB – 7 minutes ago »
JohnH77 – 30 minutes ago »
How difficult can it be to understand that you need to set the START timing mark when the programme starts; and you set the END timing mark when the program ends. Surely even a three year old can grasp the idea?
Why can’t 5 USA get its head round this simple concept!
Surely the program starts when the previous one finishes, and, ipso facto, ends when the next one starts.
It’s the no mans land between, on commercial channels the ads and on BBC the trailers etc for future programmes, that produce variations. ITV generally switch about halfway through the ads – approx 2 minutes) On a satellite box you can watch the now/next epg. Recordings normally start when the broadcaster changes the status (when what is next becomes now) and ends when now changes to what was next.
January 13, 2016 at 1:55 pm #67977Anonymous
InactiveBarry – 4 hours ago »
Last nights test of ‘Law and Order Special Victims Unit’
On all units starts at end credits for previous programme, about 2 mins 30 secs before actual programme starts. Complete programme recorded with approx. 2 minutes extra.
Total programme length 62 minutes.
Will continue with the tests.
I set both the Humax 2000T and our Panasonic PVR simply to test the outcome using two different makes of PVR – my results concur with Barry’s.
If this issue is not a clash of overlapping regions then the FVP4000T really has some serious issues to overcome.
January 13, 2016 at 2:07 pm #67978Anonymous
InactiveBut the FVP4000T also recorded correctly in this instance. Probably because actual runtimes matched EPG info and AR adjustments did not come into play.
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