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Devastating news: https://www.freesat.co.uk/news/all4-4hd-leave-freesat/
Will it still be possible to watch in “non-freesat mode”?
jcwacky – 8 minutes ago »
Devastating news: https://www.freesat.co.uk/news/all4-4hd-leave-freesat/
Will it still be possible to watch in “non-freesat mode”?
Depends if they are going back to encrypted on Sky.
As C4 are a public broadcaster funded by taxpayers,should they not be providing all services on all available platforms ?
POPPY – 1 minute ago »
As C4 are a public broadcaster funded by taxpayers,should they not be providing all services on all available platforms ?
Only applies to SD.
POPPY – 1 hour ago »
As C4 are a public broadcaster funded by taxpayers
Only applies to the BBC?
Channel 4 was going to get some public funds starting in 2009 for six years but I don’t remember that happening in the end. Channel 4 themselves repeatedly publish that they are not currently publicly funded. E.g. https://www.channel4.com/corporate/about-4/who-we-are/what-is-channel-4
“zero cost to the taxpayer”.
Have you got a link to any details about the public funding you are referring to and when it was?
What Hi-Fi quotes Channel 4 as saying that this is because Freesat has levied a very significant fee increase at them:
https://www.whathifi.com/news/freesat-loses-channel-4-hd-and-all4-over-carriage-fee-dispute
Let’s hope that good sense prevails and the respective parties agree something mutually satisfactory.
So everyone will need to look at their planner with some urgency to ascertain what programmes they have set for C4 HD as after Thursday their recordings will fail.
Strange business decision by Freesat to alienate your customers in this manner.
At least we have a Freeview PVR, a Youview PVR and our TV has Freeview Play with the ability to record to an external HD so all is not lost.
Bit of a bummer for those who rely almost totally on Freesat though.
JungleMartin – 2 hours ago »
What Hi-Fi quotes Channel 4 as saying that this is because Freesat has levied a very significant fee increase at them:
https://www.whathifi.com/news/freesat-loses-channel-4-hd-and-all4-over-carriage-fee-dispute
Let’s hope that good sense prevails and the respective parties agree something mutually satisfactory.
That doesn’t make much sense to me.
Freesat by virtue of it’s license is not allowed to discriminate against any fta broadcaster including those from the joint owners (ITV and BBC).
We aren’t aware of the current epg fees, however any increase in costs has to be applicable to all.
Before you ask, Freesat is a ring fenced company designed to help those in areas that following DSO would lose many non PSB channels from those not capable of reception of the 3 PSB post DSO mux.
Not sure what channel 4’s beef is, pretty sure it’s not down to any discrimination which would be against the licence.
Only thing I can think of it’s down to some change of policy in allowing a channel to share a single lcn for a HD channel on DVB-S2 boxes with SD boxes using DVB-S.
We don’t know what the reason is, perhaps Freesat have been told they can’t allow PSB channels to allow the loop hole to allow a HD channel to replace a SD channel on Freesat.
I have seen many post bemoaning the loss of CH4-SD on HD Freesat boxes, perhaps Freesat have been leaned on to provide both which would clearly increase the epg costs.
Does seem to be an odd decision which will push some to Freeview Play / YouView which have set top boxes already giving better parallel recording options (FVP-5000), more features and now more HD channels. I was waiting for the next generation Freesat UHD box but if Freesat cannot even retain mainstream HD channels and on-demand services what is the point? Also I can’t say I fancy witching the F1 highlights in SD ……. A very backward and disappointing step.
I agree with Faust, lets hope some common sense prevails and this can be sorted out.
grahamlthompson – 10 hours ago »
I have seen many post bemoaning the loss of CH4-SD on HD Freesat boxes, perhaps Freesat have been leaned on to provide both which would clearly increase the epg costs.
I don’t understand, Graham. Is there or has there been some talk of the SD feed of Channel 4 disappearing from Freesat?
Incidentally, I took a look in the EPG of my Freesat HD box and currently the C4HD programming is listed until the early hours of Saturday morning, and then goes blank. Of course, that is not to say that the channel will continue to work until then or things won’t change before then.
My understanding is that the Ch4 SD will remain on Freesat but Ch4 HD and the All 4 catch-up service will be removed. Removing All 4 is a real blow as there are some excellent box sets available to view.
JungleMartin – 35 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 10 hours ago »
I have seen many post bemoaning the loss of CH4-SD on HD Freesat boxes, perhaps Freesat have been leaned on to provide both which would clearly increase the epg costs.
I don’t understand, Graham. Is there or has there been some talk of the SD feed of Channel 4 disappearing from Freesat?
Incidentally, I took a look in the EPG of my Freesat HD box and currently the C4HD programming is listed until the early hours of Saturday morning, and then goes blank. Of course, that is not to say that the channel will continue to work until then or things won’t change before then.
No SD feed will continue.
If channel remains FTA G2 box owners will be able to watch but not record using non-freesat mode.
Foxsat-HDR owners have more options.
Channel can be recorded manually in non-freesat mode
Those with the custom firmware and the associated channel editor will be able to schedule manual recording timers without needing to switch to non-freesat mode.
I will have more details Friday after overnight housekeeping on my Foxsat-HDR which automatically e-mails me details of any changes.
What I didn’t understand though, Graham, was where you said, “I have seen many post bemoaning the loss of CH4-SD on HD Freesat boxes…”
JungleMartin – 22 minutes ago »
What I didn’t understand though, Graham, was where you said, “I have seen many post bemoaning the loss of CH4-SD on HD Freesat boxes…”
Senior moment it was Channel 5 SD.
Whilst I’m a regular viewer of C4HD it’s not the end of the world for me (I remember 405 Lines TV on a 9″ Philips box with 23 people watching the 1953 Coronation!).
I did notice when I tuned in the day the service was dropped that within the first couple of minutes before the EPG was refreshed, programmes being received then of course stopping as the EPG update completed.
Not being that knowledgeable about the technicalities, does this suggest if the two parties get their act together that we could see a rapid return, as it appears C4HD and All4 have just been removed from the front end?
C4 did say in an email I got from them that I could watch via various casting products including Chromecast. Only issue is that there must be a condition in the app that refuses Chromecast the ability to cast live programmes. Everything else is fine.
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