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February 7, 2016 at 7:06 pm #17706
Anonymous
InactiveHi
I have previously copied files from HDD to External hard drive. I bought a bigger external hard drive and transferred some files back to the HDD in order to move them back to the new external hard drive. However the Humax is not letting me copy them to the new external drive. They have the disc icon with the red cross showing against them.
Is there any solution to this?
February 7, 2016 at 7:14 pm #68861grahamlthompson
ParticipantHi welcome to our forum. Knowing what box you actually copied the recordings from would help.
However why can’t you copy the recordings to your new hard drive using your PC ? For HD recordings there is often a copy once option to copy recordings to usb. This does not stop you copying them to a new drive externally.
February 7, 2016 at 11:10 pm #68862Anonymous
InactiveHi Graham
Thanks for the quick response. I didn’t know I could copy the files on a PC I thought the encryption would somehow block that. Sounds like the encryption just stops the files being played on anything other than the box they were recorded on….?
Sorry about not quoting the model but not sure and am not now where the box is. It is a Humax FreeSat box with 500GB drive. The model that was before the 1000S models…?
When you say ‘externally’ do you mean to an external hard drive (in which case I do not know what is wrong, although the Humax refers to external hard drive as USB), or do you mean via PC? If the latter I will try that next time with both external hard drives connected via PC, and see how that goes.
Thanks again.
February 8, 2016 at 10:00 am #68863grahamlthompson
ParticipantAs you have managed to copy files to USB aready I am guessing the drive you have is formatted FAT32 which has a maximum file size of 4GB. To copy larger files requires the disk to be formatted EXT3. To use EXT3 on a PC requires a seperate driver.
Assuming the drive is FAT32 you will need to format the new drive FAT32 which in Windows requires a seperate programme (unless you format using a CMD window).
http://download.cnet.com/Macrorit-Disk-Partition-Expert-Free/3000-2094_4-75913265.html
Simply connect both formatted drives to a PC and drag and drop your files from the old drive to the new one.
The whole process is a lot simpler of you install the Custom Firmware, using this you can copy content direct to a PC without using USB, and even play them back directly from your PC.
February 8, 2016 at 10:13 am #68864Anonymous
InactiveHi Graham
No. Both external drives formatted as EXT3. Certainly the new one is.
I will check the old one as I recall formatting as EXT2 at one stage many moons ago.
Could that be the problem? Will the HUmax work with EXT2 or EXT3?
February 8, 2016 at 10:36 am #68865grahamlthompson
Participantkevvyb – 18 minutes ago »
Hi Graham
No. Both external drives formatted as EXT3. Certainly the new one is.
I will check the old one as I recall formatting as EXT2 at one stage many moons ago.
Could that be the problem? Will the HUmax work with EXT2 or EXT3?
If I remember correctly EXT2 works on USB flash memory but not proper hard drives.
You have two options with a PC.
Create a USB or DVD linux boot and boot your PC into Linux.
Use EXT2FS and enable write support (Not sure if Windows 10 works with EXT2FS)
HD recordings had a copy once option set. The flag that controls this in the .HMT file can be reset using the custom firmware.
February 8, 2016 at 11:02 am #68866Anonymous
InactiveThanks. Then the first hard drive must be formatted with Ext3 so not sure what the copy problem is.
What is EXT2FS please? I can format my hard drives to EXT3 fine with Easus.
Do I need the firmware mod to use PC to move files between hard drives? I have my Humax connected to Ethernet via homeplug. Presumably this is o for accessing the Humax via ip address?
Quote:The whole process is a lot simpler of you install the Custom Firmware, using this you can copy content direct to a PC without using USB, and even play them back directly from your PC.So if I am understanding correctly:
[*]I can plug both my EXT3 external drives into my PC and transfer files between them over USB connection?[/*]
[*]If I flash the Custom firmware to the Humax, I can manage these operations directly from the Humax hard drive to the external hard drives connected to the Humax?[/*]
February 8, 2016 at 11:46 am #68867grahamlthompson
Participantkevvyb – 39 minutes ago »
Thanks. Then the first hard drive must be formatted with Ext3 so not sure what the copy problem is.
What is EXT2FS please? I can format my hard drives to EXT3 fine with Easus.
Do I need the firmware mod to use PC to move files between hard drives? I have my Humax connected to Ethernet via homeplug. Presumably this is o for accessing the Humax via ip address?
Quote:The whole process is a lot simpler of you install the Custom Firmware, using this you can copy content direct to a PC without using USB, and even play them back directly from your PC.So if I am understanding correctly:
[*]I can plug both my EXT3 external drives into my PC and transfer files between them over USB connection?[/*]
[*]If I flash the Custom firmware to the Humax, I can manage these operations directly from the Humax hard drive to the external hard drives connected to the Humax?[/*]
With the CF you don’t need to connect anything to the usb port at all. You can copy files directly to the PC or any USB drive attached to it. The drives can be formatted NTFS. You can play recordings direct to the PC using the CF DLNA server, and replay recordings from your PC using the NASmount package. You have the option of still using the USB port and you can control it via the PC as it has a web based remote control for the Foxsat.
Provided your PC has EXT3 drivers or is booted into Linux you can copy from one drive to the other. You must copy all three files, .ts, .nts and .hmt , you don’t have to copy the .tac thumbnail files as the Foxsat will recreate them if missing.
February 8, 2016 at 12:14 pm #68868Anonymous
InactiveThanks Graham
I’ll see how I get on with moving files on the PC. Will need to get the EXT3 drivers though. Is that just so that I can mount the two EXT3 formatted hard drives on the PC?
Is this all I need to do that? http://www.ext2fsd.com/
After I’ve sorted that I’ll look to flashing the custom firmware on the Humax to get more flexibility.
I take it that if I eventually the files stored on an external hard drive formatted with NTFS then I will only be able to play these through the Humax via the PC and web interface and not by plugging directly in to the Humax USB port? Just need to know to decide which way to jump.
Thanks
February 8, 2016 at 12:37 pm #68869grahamlthompson
Participantkevvyb – 21 minutes ago »
Thanks Graham
I’ll see how I get on with moving files on the PC. Will need to get the EXT3 drivers though. Is that just so that I can mount the two EXT3 formatted hard drives on the PC?
Is this all I need to do that? http://www.ext2fsd.com/
After I’ve sorted that I’ll look to flashing the custom firmware on the Humax to get more flexibility.
I take it that if I eventually the files stored on an external hard drive formatted with NTFS then I will only be able to play these through the Humax via the PC and web interface and not by plugging directly in to the Humax USB port? Just need to know to decide which way to jump.
Thanks
Correct link. Yes if stored on NTFS only playable from PC. Don’t forget by default write access is disabled on EXT2FS.
February 8, 2016 at 12:50 pm #68870Martin Liddle
Participantgrahamlthompson – 2 hours ago »
If I remember correctly EXT2 works on USB flash memory but not proper hard drives.
That doesn’t sound right to me. EXT2 and EXT3 use the same file system structure but EXT3 adds journalling support for greater robustness. I used EXT2 formatted drives for years without problems. Can you provide any evidence to back up your recollection?
February 8, 2016 at 1:38 pm #68871Anonymous
InactiveQuote:Correct link. Yes if stored on NTFS only playable from PC. Don’t forget by default write access is disabled on EXT2FS.Graham could you please note the significance of this for me…?
Quote:That doesn’t sound right to me. EXT2 and EXT3 use the same file system structure but EXT3 adds journalling support for greater robustness. I used EXT2 formatted drives for years without problems. Can you provide any evidence to back up your recollection?I am pretty sure that first of my external drives was formatted with EXT2 and has been working with the Humax fine but I will check.
February 8, 2016 at 1:54 pm #68872grahamlthompson
ParticipantMartin Liddle – 1 hour ago »
grahamlthompson – 2 hours ago »
If I remember correctly EXT2 works on USB flash memory but not proper hard drives.
That doesn’t sound right to me. EXT2 and EXT3 use the same file system structure but EXT3 adds journalling support for greater robustness. I used EXT2 formatted drives for years without problems. Can you provide any evidence to back up your recollection?
Might have been fixed by a later software release. Way back there was lots of posts about EXT2 not working but EXT3 did.
Found this post from 2008
I have a Linux machine so formatted a external hard drive to ext2 but the HDR would not recognise it so I used fat32format and it worked fine. More details are here: http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm
Unfortunately most of the info on this was lost when the website shut down with no data back up.
February 8, 2016 at 2:02 pm #68873Anonymous
InactiveQuote:Correct link. Yes if stored on NTFS only playable from PC. Don’t forget by default write access is disabled on EXT2FS.Graham could you please note the significance of this for me…?
February 8, 2016 at 2:02 pm #68874grahamlthompson
Participantkevvyb – 23 minutes ago »
Quote:Correct link. Yes if stored on NTFS only playable from PC. Don’t forget by default write access is disabled on EXT2FS.Graham could you please note the significance of this for me…?
Quote:That doesn’t sound right to me. EXT2 and EXT3 use the same file system structure but EXT3 adds journalling support for greater robustness. I used EXT2 formatted drives for years without problems. Can you provide any evidence to back up your recollection?I am pretty sure that first of my external drives was formatted with EXT2 and has been working with the Humax fine but I will check.
It may have been fixed now. I haven’t used a USB drive with my Foxsat for a long time. The CF made it redundant.
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