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If I understand correctly, when my Humax fails, and I buy a new one, I cannot transfer my HD recordings to the new Humax (by copy, or even by disk swapping) because the decryption of the HD programmes is tied to the Humax on which the recording was made.
When I bought Humax_1, I undoubtedly paid a licence fee for the encryption/decryption technique, and my Humax_1 was given a unique key with which to encrypt and decrypt.
When I buy Humax_2, I no doubt get a new, different key for it.
Why can’t I tell Humax_2 to decrypt with either Key_1 or Key_2, both of which I have paid for?
Or why can’t I unplug a “mini Key-chip” from Humax_1, and plug it into a chip holder in Humax_2, put there for this specific purpose?
As it is, if Humax_1 breaks, all HD recordings are unplayable, and therefore lost, even though the recordings on the disk are perfect.
Given that you know the answers why would you want to replace a dead 4000T with another 4000T?
I think you have missed the point.
Failure of the motherboard on a device using encryption for HD programmes means that all the HD recordings are permanently lost as you cannot transfer the unwatched programmes to a replacement device of whatever brand.
In several years time, I could 2 TBytes of HD recordings, and lose them all just because a chip on the motherboard dies, or a solder joint fails.
Quote:…all the HD recordings are permanently lost …They’re not lost, you just haven’t got a copy.
PVRs are for timeshifting, in theory – not archiving. Count your blessings, and watch while you can.
The PVR on a single chip (probably Broadcom) has integrated encryption which uses a unique key (Guessing the unique MAC address) to encrypt/decrypt.
JamesB
They’re not lost, you just haven’t got a copy.
I am still laughing out loud at that observation! It’s akin to
Wife: Are we lost?
Husband (deeply offended at the thought): Of course we aren’t lost. It’s just I don’t know where we are.
The licence to use the Freeview/Freesat epg imposes a requirement on the box makers to encrypt (and copy protect) when the broadcaster flags it in the broadcast stream (the actual broadcast is not encrypted). This has to be using a single key unique to the box.
Generic free to air kit without the convenience of the epg do not have to encrypt. A DVB-T2 card in a PC would record without encryption as would a generic DVB-S2 satellite pvr.
Quote:Wife: Are we lost?Husband (deeply offended at the thought): Of course we aren’t lost. It’s just I don’t know where we are.
Also true.
JamesB
Count your blessings …
That reminds me of mindfulness:
When the washing machine breaks down, don’t get enraged it no longer works – think of all the work it has saved you in the past.
When you are caught in a traffic jam on the way to work don’t curse – be thankful that you have a job to go to and a car to take you to it.
Yep.
Washing machines especially. Wonderful invention.
JamesB – 11 minutes ago »
Yep.
Washing machines especially. Wonderful invention.
… but lousy at recording in SD or HD!
Still, with much of the rubbish on TV these days, especially “celebiity” junk, it is often preferable to watch the clothes going round rather than sit in front of the TV.
Quote:The licence to use the Freeview/Freesat epg imposes a requirement on the box makers to encrypt (and copy protect) when the broadcaster flags it in the broadcast stream (the actual broadcast is not encrypted). This has to be using a single key unique to the box.Generic free to air kit without the convenience of the epg do not have to encrypt. A DVB-T2 card in a PC would record without encryption as would a generic DVB-S2 satellite pvr.
That’s only partly true Graham, or may well be true now. However, I still have a Panasonic DVD/HDD recorder with Freeview. I can not only record to the HDD but can then archive it to DVD (granted it’s only in SD). However, that disc can then be played on any commercial DVD player.
In effect what we have now is not as good as we had in the past although what we had in the past was SD not HD. I think the latest generation of DVD/HDD recorders have been hobbled.
Quote:In effect what we have now is not as good as we had in the past although what we had in the past was SD not HDWhich is what we’ve still got, for archiving purposes.
Are you saying that you can archive an HD recording but it will only save it as SD?
I thought that you could not do that on the Humax. If you can do it, it solves my problem.
If the manual was printed using black ink instead of grey ink, and with text bigger than 9 point, I could probably read it and see what it says about it.
Faust – 7 minutes ago »
Quote:The licence to use the Freeview/Freesat epg imposes a requirement on the box makers to encrypt (and copy protect) when the broadcaster flags it in the broadcast stream (the actual broadcast is not encrypted). This has to be using a single key unique to the box.Generic free to air kit without the convenience of the epg do not have to encrypt. A DVB-T2 card in a PC would record without encryption as would a generic DVB-S2 satellite pvr.
That’s only partly true Graham, or may well be true now. However, I still have a Panasonic DVD/HDD recorder with Freeview. I can not only record to the HDD but can then archive it to DVD (granted it’s only in SD). However, that disc can then be played on any commercial DVD player.
In effect what we have now is not as good as we had in the past although what we had in the past was SD not HD. I think the latest generation of DVD/HDD recorders have been hobbled.
You can still do that using a HDR2000T and presumably a FVP-4000T for SD content. Broadcasters do not normally impose encryption on SD content.
Humax boxes differ how they handle this, the HDR Freeview+ range encrypt everything but decrypt SD on copying to SD or streaming via DLNA. As the FVP-4000T is capable of streaming to mobile devices it presumably inherits the same capability.
The Foxsat-hdr encrypts HD when the broadcaster flags this (For some months after BBC1 HD launched the flag wasn’t set so the recordings were not encrypted). SD is not encrypted at all, as a result no decryption is required.
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