Voice over giving details of during programs

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  • #16187
    Anonymous
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    While watching programs, we can hear a voice describing what is happening. This sometimes means that we cannot hear what is being said by the actors. The voice over is also heard on the recordings.

    I would appreciate any help. It has only started in the last couple of months

    #56720
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Turn off Audio dialogue – Don’t know your unit but think there must be a button on the remote perhaps “AD”?

    #56721
    grahamlthompson
    Participant

    Audio Description – (on remote 3 up from bottom 1 right (next to opt+)). It has a speaker icon with a ? mark next to it. Press again to remove the AD icon so you see just English.

    Someone will no doubt have pushed the button accidentally (do you have a cat ? :-) )

    AD works slightly differently to Freesat on HD channels. (Repassac lives in France). On freesat the AD track is a separate audio track to the main Dolby Digital audio. On Freeview-HD the AD data is embedded in the same audio track (It uses aac audio that is capable of including AD in the same data0

    #56722
    raydon
    Participant

    grahamlthompson – 13 hours ago  » 

    AD works slightly differently to Freesat on HD channels. On freesat the AD track is a separate audio track to the main Dolby Digital audio. On Freeview-HD the AD data is embedded in the same audio track (It uses aac audio that is capable of including AD in the same data0

    Are you sure about that Graham ?

    AFAIK with Freeview HD and SD transmissions, the AD audio is still contained in a separate stream to the main audio stream. Only difference to Freesat is that both streams are in AAC format. Main audio uses AAC, whereas AD uses HE-AAC, which is only suitable for lower bit rates.

    #56723
    grahamlthompson
    Participant

    raydon – 3 minutes ago  » 

    grahamlthompson – 13 hours ago  » 

    AD works slightly differently to Freesat on HD channels. On freesat the AD track is a separate audio track to the main Dolby Digital audio. On Freeview-HD the AD data is embedded in the same audio track (It uses aac audio that is capable of including AD in the same data0

    Are you sure about that Graham ?

    AFAIK with Freeview HD and SD transmissions, the AD audio is still contained in a separate stream to the main audio stream. Only difference to Freesat is that both streams are in AAC format. Main audio uses AAC, whereas AD uses HE-AAC, which is only suitable for lower bit rates.

    Copying a Dragons Den Episode (which has AD), I will let you know. Never seen more than a single track on other recordings I have transferred (Could be a coincidence that none had AD).

    #56724
    raydon
    Participant

    Here’s MediaInfo for an episode of Coast I recorded on my HDR Fox T2

    Code:
    General
    ID : 16521 (0x4089)
    Complete name : F:Coast_20140522_1509.ts
    Format : BDAV
    Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
    File size : 1.91 GiB
    Duration : 37mn 33s
    Overall bit rate mode : Variable
    Overall bit rate : 7 268 Kbps

    Video
    ID : 101 (0x65)
    Menu ID : 17472 (0x4440)
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Codec ID : 27
    Duration : 37mn 32s
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 25.000 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Color primaries : BT.709
    Transfer characteristics : BT.709
    Matrix coefficients : BT.709

    Audio #1
    ID : 102 (0x66)
    Menu ID : 17472 (0x4440)
    Format : AAC
    Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format profile : LC
    Muxing mode : LATM
    Codec ID : 17
    Duration : 37mn 33s
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -803ms
    Language : English

    Audio #2
    ID : 106 (0x6A)
    Menu ID : 17472 (0x4440)
    Format : AAC
    Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
    Muxing mode : LATM
    Codec ID : 17
    Duration : 37mn 33s
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Channel(s) : 1 channel
    Channel positions : Front: C
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz / 24.0 KHz
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -441ms
    Language : English
    Language, more info : Visual impaired commentary

    Text
    ID : 105 (0x69)
    Menu ID : 17472 (0x4440)
    Format : DVB Subtitle
    Codec ID : 6
    Duration : 37mn 29s
    Delay relative to video : 3s 708ms
    Language : English

    #56725
    grahamlthompson
    Participant

    You are correct – of course :-)

    Audio details from Dragons Den

    Audio #1

    ID : 102 (0x66)

    Menu ID : 17472 (0x4440)

    Format : AAC

    Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec

    Format profile : LC

    Muxing mode : LATM

    Codec ID : 17

    Duration : 59mn 9s

    Bit rate mode : Variable

    Channel(s) : 2 channels

    Channel positions : Front: L R

    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

    Compression mode : Lossy

    Delay relative to video : -808ms

    Language : English

    Audio #2

    ID : 106 (0x6A)

    Menu ID : 17472 (0x4440)

    Format : AAC

    Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec

    Format profile : HE-AAC / LC

    Muxing mode : LATM

    Codec ID : 17

    Duration : 59mn 9s

    Channel(s) : 1 channel

    Channel positions : Front: C

    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz / 24.0 KHz

    Compression mode : Lossy

    Delay relative to video : -436ms

    Language : English

    Language, more info : Visual impaired commentary

    Text

    ID : 105 (0x69)

    Menu ID : 17472 (0x4440)

    Format : DVB Subtitle

    Codec ID : 6

    Duration : 59mn 5s

    Delay relative to video : 4s 737ms

    Language : English

    #56726
    Anonymous
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    grahamlthompson – 18 hours ago  » 

    Audio Description

    Thanks for putting me right Graham. Have not seen it for a while and when I did must have had a different sort of A.D. :-)

    #56727
    raydon
    Participant

    REPASSAC – 1 hour ago  » 

    grahamlthompson – 18 hours ago  » 

    Audio Description

    Thanks for putting me right Graham. Have not seen it for a while and when I did must have had a different sort of A.D. :-)

    Anno Domini ?

    #56728
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    raydon – 1 hour ago  » 

    REPASSAC – 1 hour ago  » 

    grahamlthompson – 18 hours ago  » 

    Audio Description

    Thanks for putting me right Graham. Have not seen it for a while and when I did must have had a different sort of A.D. :-)

    Anno Domini ?

    Very funny, i’am much amused. 😆

    #56729
    grahamlthompson
    Participant

    Think I have just twigged the difference.

    Satellite has two tracks, you have to choose on or the other. For HD primary track is ac3 (2.0 or 5.1). AD track is 2.0 MP2 so replay will always be stereo.

    Freeview-HD has two tracks AAC 2.0 or 5.1, AD track is mono only centre speaker only according to medianinfo.

    Presumably selecting AD adds the audio and does not replace it.

    #56730
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    grahamlthompson – 1 hour ago  » 

    Presumably selecting AD adds the audio and does not replace it.

    Yes, on freeview the AD does not replace the main audio.

    What a freeview AD receiver/recorder does will vary according to the implementation.

    Some implementations will just merge the 2 tracks.

    Others will go one better and use flags from the AD track to variably subdue the main track so that the AD can be heard clearly. The louder the normal track is at that point the more the flags will indicate a required reduction of volume from the main track.

    Humax do neither of those. Instead Humax perversely use the flags to reduce the volume of the AD track instead of the audio volume of the normal track. This frequently results in a muffled AD and occasionally when the normal track is loud the AD cannot be heard at all. Humax have been doing this on the HD-FOX-T2, HDR-FOX T2 and the HDR-2000T/1800T for all firmwares since April 2012.

    Fred – 6 days ago  » 

    While watching programs, we can hear a voice describing what is happening. This sometimes means that we cannot hear what is being said by the actors.

    The AD track attempts to describe the necessary situation (which isn’t always what is on the screen!) when the normal sound track can be best sacrificed. If this occurs when the normal soundtrack is speaking it is usually because the normal sound track just contains just the semblance of speech, or the normal sound track is in a non-English language and therefore the AD will read the burnt in subtitles. Obviously with the latter on Humax freeview boxes it brings the foreign language to the fore instead of the English!

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