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Hello.
I have a 500Gb PVR-9300T, on its second hard disk, and it’s playing up again (failed recordings, no sound, playback skips, only a day or two EPG, etc). I’ve decided it’s time to change it for a newer model, and was hoping for some advice.
I want a FreeView / YouView device (not FreeSat) with access to online services (specifically catch-up services like BBC iPlayer) and I’m considering either the HDR-2000T or the DTR-1000T / DTR-1010T.
I’m aware that the -7/+7 day EPG of the YouView box provides easier access to the last seven days of catch-up TV, but I’m concerned that its interface is too restrictive. What functionality of the FreeView box is lost with YouView?
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Thanks for the quick response.
I presume that the list is FreeView functionality that is lost with YouView?
mailing – 3 minutes ago »
Thanks for the quick response.
I presume that the list is FreeView functionality that is lost with YouView?
It’s basically a comparison of the then current HDR FOX T2 against the Youview box. The current HDR2000T loses some capability compared to the HDR FOX T2.
Thanks again for the quick response.
Am I right in thinking that recorded programmes can be copied to a networked PC from the HDR but not from the DTR ?
grahamlthompson – 52 minutes ago »
The current HDR2000T loses some capability compared to the HDR FOX T2.
I do wish that people would be balanced and point out that the HDR-2000T also gains some useful capability compared to the HDR-FOX T2 (IPTV Channels mostly work, write to NTFS formatted USB drives, better scrolling performance through the guide).
Martin Liddle – 33 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 52 minutes ago »
The current HDR2000T loses some capability compared to the HDR FOX T2.
I do wish that people would be balanced and point out that the HDR-2000T also gains some useful capability compared to the HDR-FOX T2 (IPTV Channels mostly work, write to NTFS formatted USB drives, better scrolling performance through the guide).
Writing to ntfs volumes is easily solved on the HDR FOX T2. As to IPTV channels they are available on loads of other kit, this is more than offset by the lack of HD IP protected streaming and no front panel displa, no rf loopthrough. Should I include the list of extra capability free software the HDR FOX T2 gains over the HDR FOX T2 especially running the custom firmware add on.
My HDR FOX T2 still on a version 2 firmware has no epg scrolling issues.
Rather think your post is the one that’s biassed.
My post correctly pointed out that the HDR2000T lack some of the bells and whistles of the earlier box.
Only way to not be accused of bias was to spell out the differences, which wasn’t what the OP asked anyway.
Youview has all the catch up channels, but Freeview boxes only have iPlayer (currently).
I thought it would be a great product, but in fact I personally was disappointed by the DTR-T1010. To me it feels like a work in progress and is very restrictive, specifically yes you can record and was catch up, but that’s it. No other capabilities, and likely none will ever be delivered, i.e. network play, copy to PC, USB media support, etc. The box also takes 2 minutes to boot, which was unacceptable to me.
So, I replaced my old PVR-9200T with an HDR-Fox-T2 and saved £100 in the process. Yes I was swayed by the many positive threads raving about the Fox-T2, and a few negative points about the HDR-2000T, mostly it is a cheap Fox-T2 and sometimes unstable/freezes. It has an external power block (which I do not like at all) and no front panel display. It does in fact have a few benefits, like IPTV, and most likely the platform will receive additions over time as it is developed. Again it feels like a work in progress.
I am happy with my choice, and in future probably will be happy with the newer HDR-2000T type products. But I for one have been pushed away from a poor Youview experience and will not retry that one again.
So the HDR-2000T only has iPlayer and no other catch-up services (ie, no ITV Player, no 4OD, etc)? But it does allow transferring recorded programmes to a PC?
Does the HDR-Fox-2 have an internal HDD or does it just use an external HDD? In which case, can it record two programmes simultaneously?
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Yes, to an extent, yes, yes it can do and yes.
mailing – 9 hours ago »
So the HDR-2000T only has iPlayer and no other catch-up services (ie, no ITV Player, no 4OD, etc)?
Correct.
But it does allow transferring recorded programmes to a PC?
It is the same as the HDR-FOX T2 (with standard firmware) in this respect ie SD recordings can be decrypted by copying to an attached USB hard drive and played on a PC. HD recordings can only be decoded by using a utility called Foxy to fool the HDR-2000T into treating them as SD.
Does the HDR-Fox-2 have an internal HDD or does it just use an external HDD?
Internal.
In which case, can it record two programmes simultaneously?
Yes it can.
grahamlthompson – 12 hours ago »
Rather think your post is the one that’s biassed.
You are talking nonsense. I was trying to bring balance to the debate. I own both both boxes; do you? The main disadvantage of the HDR-FOX T2 at this point in time is that you cannot buy a new one. The main source is the reconditioned items offered by Humax Direct. They do benefit from a one year warranty but some of the problems that have been reported by users include hard drives with over 2500 reallocated disk sectors or a disk with over 5000 power on hours.
If users want the benefits of the custom firmware then they should buy an HDR-FOX T2 at this time (it isn’t impossible that the custom firmware will appear on the HDR-2000T in the future but there are no guarantees). If they want a reliable PVR that will perform well from the moment that it is taken out of the packaging then they should consider a new HDR-2000T or a reconditioned HDR-FOX T2.
Martin Liddle – 25 minutes ago »
I own both both boxes; do you?
Do you have the same trouble that I do with the 2000T interfering with the TV/surround sound communication? I find this a constant irritation, particularly as it was fine with the Fox T2.
Martin Liddle – 44 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 12 hours ago »
Rather think your post is the one that’s biassed.
You are talking nonsense. I was trying to bring balance to the debate. I own both both boxes; do you? The main disadvantage of the HDR-FOX T2 at this point in time is that you cannot buy a new one. The main source is the reconditioned items offered by Humax Direct. They do benefit from a one year warranty but some of the problems that have been reported by users include hard drives with over 2500 reallocated disk sectors or a disk with over 5000 power on hours.
If users want the benefits of the custom firmware then they should buy an HDR-FOX T2 at this time (it isn’t impossible that the custom firmware will appear on the HDR-2000T in the future but there are no guarantees). If they want a reliable PVR that will perform well from the moment that it is taken out of the packaging then they should consider a new HDR-2000T or a reconditioned HDR-FOX T2.
Nonsense ???
The OP asked about the difference between the HDR2000T and the Youview box. I merely pointed the OP to a list of features that the You view box lacked in comparison to the then current comparable box. When asked I pointed out that this list was based on the then current HDR Fox T2 and would not necessarily apply to the HDR2000T.
Simple example
The Youview box if compared directly to the HDR2000T would have positive entries for Front Panel Display and RF Loopthrough in SBY.
What is inaccurate about merely stating that the HDR2000T loses some capability compared to the older box ?
These are well documented elsewhere in this forum, there was no reason to take this thread so far off topic, nor make unwarranted accusations re bias.
Where did I say the OP should buy a HDR FOX T2 ?.
If you wish to start an on topic thread which has already been discussed at length feel free to do so.
grahamlthompson – 8 minutes ago »
What is inaccurate about merely stating that the HDR2000T loses some capability compared to the older box ?
I didn’t say it was inaccurate; please don’t distort my comments. I said it lacked balance; you pointed out some of the shortcomings of the HDR-2000T without also pointing out the advantages.
As I see it, the HDR-2000T was designed for a lower price point than the HDR-FOX T2 and things like the front panel have been sacrificed to achieve it. People will have different views as to whether this is a good thing.
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