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March 3, 2014 at 10:20 am #15523
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InactiveBack again! I have a VCR connected via an RCA – SCART cable.VCR is connected to the TV via SCART.
Whilst the VCR records TV pictures ok, any text associated with the picture (eg quiz shows) is blurred.Any ideas?
March 3, 2014 at 4:11 pm #51131Anonymous
InactiveHi Pete,
the lowest standard resolution of a tv picture is around 576 lines to build up the picture of what you see on the screen. Analogue tv has now been switched off so everybody receives digital tv pictures of at least this resolution.
The older VHS vcr’s had a resolution of around 185 lines, some were better than others.
This means when you record from freesat to your vcr you are only going to be able to record around 1/3 of the available picture/signal, which used to be acceptable for viewing tv, but even 15-20 lines of recorded ceefax used to be a problem on VHS. This is why, even years ago, VHS always looked worse than the broadcast live tv. Nowadays with everybody watching digital the difference between VHS and broadcast tv is like night and day.
Broadcasters assume all the viewers are now watching on at least a digital 576 line resolution so text doesn’t have to be as big on the screen as it used to be.
There are some things you can try, but it probably won’t make much difference. If your vcr has two scart sockets then use the one marked tv to connect to your tv, rather than the rca-scart lead and set the vcr output and tv input for s-video or rgb if possible, try cleaning the heads on the vcr.
At the end of the day though, you’re fighting a losing battle, keep the vcr for cherished video tapes only, it’s not really fit for purpose in a digital world.
A modern recordable freeview/freesat box is pretty easy to operate these days. there are a lot of people here who will have a recordable box for their main tv room and use a simpler box in another room to either watch live tv or to connect to and playback from the main recordable box
March 3, 2014 at 4:17 pm #51132grahamlthompson
ParticipantRGB input/outputs on vcr’s are as rare as hens teeth, and s-video you will only find on S-VHS recorders (these record the luminance and chrominance separately avoiding the cross talk issues you get with composite video.
March 4, 2014 at 11:52 am #51133Anonymous
InactiveThank you both for your detailed replies. The VCR works ok connected to a 2 year old Foxsat HDR, but that has 2 scart sockets. I need to be able to record in the kitchen and play in the lounge and vice versa, hence the 2 VCRs. Without running cables between the 2 rooms, how could I achieve my goal as above?
I would consider buying another Humax with record facility if this could be achieved … easily. My wife is a 74 year old technophobe!
March 4, 2014 at 12:34 pm #51134grahamlthompson
ParticipantNot entirely clear what arrangement you have.
In the Lounge assume Foxsat and one vcr with a aerial connection to the TV.
In the Kitchen assume vcr and TV, does this TV also have an aerial connection, if so do you know how the cables are routed from the aerial ?
Do both the TV’s have Freeview ?
With the above arrangement you could only record in the lounge and playback in both locations, unless you record from the kitchen TV scart socket.
If you have an aerial coax from lounge to kitchen you could watch the Foxsat recordings directly on the Kitchen TV assuming it has an analogue TV tuner.
March 4, 2014 at 3:52 pm #51135Anonymous
InactiveBefore the satellite change I had a Pace Sky digibox in the lounge, cabled via scart to a vcr and TV, and a scart from vcr to TV.This was replicated in the kitchen.
Soon after fitting new dish and lnbs, the kitchen box failed to pick up the signal. I had a Foxsat upstairs, so use that in the kitchen, it has 2 scart sockets, 1 scart to the vcr and 1 scart back, and an HDMI between Foxsat & TV (tv has 1 scart & 1 HDMI).
We had a storm overnight, the lounge Pace Sky digibox has now died – no sat signal being received. So I now have the 1000s in its place, HDMI to the TV, RCA/SCART to the VCR and scart from VCR to TV. Both TVs have freeview.
I both cases the satellite feed goes to the humax.
Installing additional cables is not an option.
March 4, 2014 at 4:02 pm #51136grahamlthompson
ParticipantSo you have a satellite connection to the kitchen. Can you access this cable say in the loft by disconnecting it from the lnb. Is there an aerial connection cable in the lounge. Basically can you create a coax link from lounge to kitchen. Other than that a video sender may be the answer.
March 4, 2014 at 4:16 pm #51137Anonymous
InactiveVideo sender? I have a CGV Freeline Wireless Trasmitter which I used to get the TV signal up to my ‘den’ before I had a sat. feed there. Is this what you mean?
March 4, 2014 at 4:21 pm #51138grahamlthompson
ParticipantPete P – 4 minutes ago »
Video sender? I have a CGV Freeline Wireless Trasmitter which I used to get the TV signal up to my ‘den’ before I had a sat. feed there. Is this what you mean?
Sounds like it yes. Not familiar with that model though.
March 5, 2014 at 3:35 pm #51139Anonymous
InactiveHi Pete,
am I correct in thinking you have a Foxsat HDR in the kitchen and a HB1000S in the lounge, both have satellite cable connected and both work?
If so, are they connected to the internet and how, i.e. do you have a router, if so where is it physically in relation to the boxes, and is one or both boxes connected to it and how?
Unless I’m missing something, at most all you need is a pair of network home plugs, around £25 for a 500mbps pair to get the boxes network connected, I don’t have a HB1000S, but once network connected I assume it would be able to view/playback anything that’s recorded on the Foxsat HDR. Alternatively a small portable 500GB or 1TB £40 – £50 can be connected to the HB1000S and you can record on that as well.
I guess I haven’t fully understood how everything is or isn’t connected, but if you want to watch recorded programmes in another room it should be too difficult. Using VHS tapes would be a last resort. I’m not a keen fan of video senders, but if you have one and it works well for you then that maybe the way forward. However, if you do have two working boxes and they are not network connected then that would be the first thing I’d sort out with a pair of network homeplugs.
March 5, 2014 at 4:04 pm #51140Anonymous
InactiveDamian, your first sentence is correct.
No, not connected to anything, totally independent.
These network home plugs, how do I use them. One for each Humax/TV set up, or does the PC come into the equation?
March 5, 2014 at 11:14 pm #51141Anonymous
InactiveHi Pete,
that’s why I was asking about a router.
No, you don’t need a PC or a router, but connecting them up to a router and internet would make sense as you’d be able to make use of catch-up TV on the HB1000S and iplayer on the foxsat hdr.
The most basic setup would be to get a pair of homeplugs, something like:
http://www.ebuyer.com/453841-trendnet-500-mbps-compact-powerline-av-adapter-kit-tpl-406e2k
or
http://www.ebuyer.com/512619-zyxel-500mbps-mini-powerline-adapter-kit-twin-pack-pla4201v2-gb0201f
I’d personally go for a 500mbps speed, you don’t need gigabit. These plug into the mains and communicate with each other via the house mains internal wiring and work really well and don’t use much power, plug and forget.
The next step depends on whether you have a router and where it is physically.
If the router is close to the hb1000s or foxsat and has spare network ports then connect one of the humax’s directly to the router, connect one of the home plugs to the router and connect the other home plug to the further away humax. Read up on Raydon’s custom firmware and install it on the foxsat hdr, make sure you install and switch on the Twonky4 media server option. You should be able to view recorded foxsat hdr programmes on the hb1000s as well as get catch-up tv on the hb1000s and iplayer on the foxsat hdr
If the router is miles away from either humax, consider buying another pair of homeplugs, one for the router, one for each humax and one spare or for the pc/laptop etc. Install Raydon’s custom firmware on the foxsat hdr. You should be able to view as above.
If the router is miles away and you don’t want to buy a second pair of home plugs, connect the home plug to the router and foxsat hdr, install Raydon’s custom firmware on the foxsat hdr, disconnect the home plug from the router and connect to the hb1000s, set up the network address manually on both humax’s. You should be able to view foxsat recorded programmes on the hb1000s.
If you don’t have a router, read up on Raydon’s custom firmware and installing from usb. Install Raydons custom firmware on the foxsat hdr from usb. Connect a home plug to each of the humax’s, manually configure the network. You should be able to view as immediately above.
In an ideal world, your router will be close to one of the humax’s and you’ll need a pair of homeplugs for around £25 and install Raydon’s custom firmware on the foxsat hdr, tweak the custom firmware options and enjoy. If your router is miles away, I would buy a second pair of homeplugs.
I’m not aware of a single link to information where it will give you everything you need step by step; however there is a ton of information and many posts on the subject. Don’t be put off by the jargon, it’s not that complicated once you’ve done it.
March 6, 2014 at 11:13 am #51142Anonymous
InactiveMy goodness, you guys certainly know ‘stuff’, I am impressed.
So the basic setup would be 2 homeplugs, and that would give me connectivity between the 2 humax boxes. I think I will try that option first and then if successful investigate the other choices.
Thanks once again. I’m sure I will be back!
Pete
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