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Luke – 17 minutes ago »
Do you ever get the feeling the Gods are against you?
Have you concidered a pact with the devil or extending your current term?
Additional soul per month for HD, I should think.
grahamlthompson – 34 minutes ago »
Faust – 1 hour ago »
To sum up I have basically had to give up with getting material from the 2000T to play via DLNA on the HWT120 – it’s just not going to happen.
The HWT120 will play just about anything I throw at it from other sources over the Network with the exception of the Humax 2000T.
The 2000T will play anything I throw at it using DLNA ‘including programmes stored on the HWT120’.
I can see both machines on my Windows computer and I can play media from both machines over the network on the computer.
I can copy files from the 2000T to a USB HDD and play them on the computer. However, I cannot play those files on the Panasonic as the Panny will wipe the HDD before use and reformat with it’s own proprietary software for the exclusive use on the Panasonic.
I might be able to stream to the Laptop from the 2000T and plug the Laptop via HDMI into the TV where the HWT120 is located. However, quite frankly by the time I have done all that I would basically have lost the will to live.
Do you ever get the feeling the Gods are against you?
My Panasonic has a media player app, and only one of the usb sockets allows recording. You can attach a usb drive and play back files using any of the other usb ports.
All I wanted to do was playback the copied file from the 2000T but the Panasonic won’t let you do that. It will format the disk for copying/archiving files only it appears
Slightly off topic. If I access the Humax from my PC and select a file, I get a ‘download bar’ and nothing happens until the selected programme has downloaded.
Once downloaded, the programme starts to play. Does anyone know if the programme is actually downloaded or just goes into a temporary buffer on the computer? If it is actually downloading the file then I don’t know where it puts them as I’ve scoured the computers HDD but cannot find any downloaded file.
It gets downloaded and will be saved to your PC’s hard drive. Depending on the windows (I assume) version you may not even have permissions to find it, it will be there somewhere though. It’ll depend on which application you used to select the file, normally the application/program can be configured to use a default or user defined temporary directory to save the file to.
Just to be 100% sure about some of the previous posts, you only have two homeplugs with single ethernet connections when you did the homeplug test?
when you tried the humax and hwt120 in the gigabit switch (which I assume isn’t a router), there definitely wasn’t any other cables whatsoever also connected except for power, i.e. no router, nothing, just two ethernet cables and the dlna server and viera link had been switched off on both the tv and hwt120, all rebooted and not going through a hdmi hub, but hdmi direct to the tv?
If so then there’s clearly a problem with the humax -> hwt120 that I don’t believe can be solved. I can’t help feeling though that there may have been a hdmi, network, router, nas etc. connection you may have forgotten about (just hoping there’s something missed and it can be got to work). If not, sorry you’re having these issues, modern gadgets are just getting too clever and trying too hard for their own good
damian – 21 hours ago »
It gets downloaded and will be saved to your PC’s hard drive. Depending on the windows (I assume) version you may not even have permissions to find it, it will be there somewhere though. It’ll depend on which application you used to select the file, normally the application/program can be configured to use a default or user defined temporary directory to save the file to.
Just to be 100% sure about some of the previous posts, you only have two homeplugs with single ethernet connections when you did the homeplug test?
when you tried the humax and hwt120 in the gigabit switch (which I assume isn’t a router), there definitely wasn’t any other cables whatsoever also connected except for power, i.e. no router, nothing, just two ethernet cables and the dlna server and viera link had been switched off on both the tv and hwt120, all rebooted and not going through a hdmi hub, but hdmi direct to the tv?
If so then there’s clearly a problem with the humax -> hwt120 that I don’t believe can be solved. I can’t help feeling though that there may have been a hdmi, network, router, nas etc. connection you may have forgotten about (just hoping there’s something missed and it can be got to work). If not, sorry you’re having these issues, modern gadgets are just getting too clever and trying too hard for their own good
Well 3 Homeplugs if you count the one that connects to the router itself. Other than that the 2 PVRs were the only devices on the Network.
I intend to copy a programme off the Humax onto a thumb drive and plug that into the TV. As the HWT120 can play files from the TV over the network it will be interesting to see if it plays the file OK.
I’m still puzzled as to why the Humax causes signal break up of the TVs own tuner now I have gone back to using pass through from the Humax. Although it’s now better with the HDMI hub out of the equation I cannot eliminate it completely. It comes in two tranches, the first is as the Humax comes out of standby and the next is around 10 seconds later as the boot sequence continues.
It’s only minor picture break up and there’s usually a high pitched squelch with the second break up. It has been like this since day one. I should probably return it for Humax to ponder over.
Faust – 48 minutes ago »
Well 3 Homeplugs if you count the one that connects to the router itself. Other than that the 2 PVRs were the only devices on the Network.
and presumably the NAS with dlna was still connected to the router (and router with/without dlna) in some way?
The ‘squelch’ coming from a sonos soundbar fed from the tv’s optical out, the tv getting it’s audio via hdmi and arc in there somewhere.
I’m glad to see you’re making some progress, not too sure whether a replacement Humax would act exactly the same in your setup. hdmi hubs can be causing the audio problems, also any device with dlna could be causing problems with the streaming from humax -> hwt120 and you’re not going to be able to prove that without separating and isolating parts of your setup.
I’m half inclined to suggest either borrowing another humax to test if possible or simply returning it for a replacement as that may be the easiest way to confirm one way or another whether it’s the way everything is connected and setup or the humax
good luck and let us know the outcome
As said before Damien the only devices on the network when I did the test was the Apple router (no DLNA capability) and the two PVRs, the NAS was disconnected as was the SMART TV.
The high pitched ‘squelch’ is caused by the signal break up when the 2000T comes out of standby.
Obviously pass through from the 2000T works OK until the device comes out of standby. It’s at this point that some process is degrading/interfering with the terrestrial signal and whatever it is only lasts moments. There are two distinct episodes though as said previously.
Given I am now connecting the device to the TV HDMI to HDMI (no hub) and with a clear unimpeded cable run the finger must point back to the 2000T as being the likely culprit.
As also said previously I really should have taken it back and asked for an exchange right at the start. Sadly I will now have to put up with a repair of sorts. How successful that might me is anyone’s guess.
I will keep you posted.
Success at long last – I decided that now I was linking the 2000T direct to the TV and not using the HDMI hub I would try the passive splitter again.
Worked like a charm, full audio from the 2000T whether I switch the TV on first or last. There was obviously some sort of issue with the 2000T being able to pick up the audio stream from the TVs optical when the TV is switched on after the 2000T or when the TV is switched off and back on again with the 2000T still active. RESOLVED
Using the splitter instead of pass-through also bypasses the signal interference issue when the 2000T boots up. RESOLVED
Now the DLNA issue. I have copied a file from the 2000T to a thumb drive and inserted that into the Panasonic TV. The TV plays it without issue. I then accessed the TV from the HWT 120 which I know can play files from the thumb drive over the network.
Result – exactly the same as playing them direct from the 2000T i.e. slight jerkiness with either no audio or short broken bursts of audio.
Apparently although the Panasonic TV can play .TS files the Panasonic PVR cannot. From what I have read this is a known issue with Humax files i.e. it adds extra streams that the Panasonic TV is not expecting and cannot deal with e.g. subtitles and text.
So after all that it is a file compatibility issue between the two machines, though only one way – bummer. NOT RESOLVED.
Faust – 30 minutes ago »
Success at long last – I decided that now I was linking the 2000T direct to the TV and not using the HDMI hub I would try the passive splitter again.
Worked like a charm, full audio from the 2000T whether I switch the TV on first or last. There was obviously some sort of issue with the 2000T being able to pick up the audio stream from the TVs optical when the TV is switched on after the 2000T or when the TV is switched off and back on again with the 2000T still active. RESOLVED
Using the splitter instead of pass-through also bypasses the signal interference issue when the 2000T boots up. RESOLVED
Now the DLNA issue. I have copied a file from the 2000T to a thumb drive and inserted that into the Panasonic TV. The TV plays it without issue. I then accessed the TV from the HWT 120 which I know can play files from the thumb drive over the network.
Result – exactly the same as playing them direct from the 2000T i.e. slight jerkiness with either no audio or short broken bursts of audio.
Apparently although the Panasonic TV can play .TS files the Panasonic PVR cannot. From what I have read this is a known issue with Humax files i.e. it adds extra streams that the Panasonic TV is not expecting and cannot deal with e.g. subtitles and text.
So after all that it is a file compatibility issue between the two machines, though only one way – bummer. NOT RESOLVED.
If you want to experiment, load the .ts into tsmuxergui. Deselect all but the Mp2 audio track (assuming SD recordings) and remux to a new .ts (It’s a very fast process). Now will the file play from the HWT120 ?
grahamlthompson – 3 hours ago »
Faust – 30 minutes ago »
Success at long last – I decided that now I was linking the 2000T direct to the TV and not using the HDMI hub I would try the passive splitter again.
Worked like a charm, full audio from the 2000T whether I switch the TV on first or last. There was obviously some sort of issue with the 2000T being able to pick up the audio stream from the TVs optical when the TV is switched on after the 2000T or when the TV is switched off and back on again with the 2000T still active. RESOLVED
Using the splitter instead of pass-through also bypasses the signal interference issue when the 2000T boots up. RESOLVED
Now the DLNA issue. I have copied a file from the 2000T to a thumb drive and inserted that into the Panasonic TV. The TV plays it without issue. I then accessed the TV from the HWT 120 which I know can play files from the thumb drive over the network.
Result – exactly the same as playing them direct from the 2000T i.e. slight jerkiness with either no audio or short broken bursts of audio.
Apparently although the Panasonic TV can play .TS files the Panasonic PVR cannot. From what I have read this is a known issue with Humax files i.e. it adds extra streams that the Panasonic TV is not expecting and cannot deal with e.g. subtitles and text.
So after all that it is a file compatibility issue between the two machines, though only one way – bummer. NOT RESOLVED.
If you want to experiment, load the .ts into tsmuxergui. Deselect all but the Mp2 audio track (assuming SD recordings) and remux to a new .ts (It’s a very fast process). Now will the file play from the HWT120 ?
I have managed to find the software after some difficulty as it appears to have been discontinued.
Not sure if I’m using it wrong but there only appears to be 2 .ts files listed as MPEG 2, 1 video and 1 MPEG 2 audio file.
I’m assuming I just select the audio file and leave the other unticked then press the remux button at the bottom? What then, has that process altered the file on the thumb drive? If so then it clearly hasn’t worked because there’s no change when trying to play.
Faust – 23 minutes ago »
grahamlthompson – 3 hours ago »
Faust – 30 minutes ago »
Success at long last – I decided that now I was linking the 2000T direct to the TV and not using the HDMI hub I would try the passive splitter again.
Worked like a charm, full audio from the 2000T whether I switch the TV on first or last. There was obviously some sort of issue with the 2000T being able to pick up the audio stream from the TVs optical when the TV is switched on after the 2000T or when the TV is switched off and back on again with the 2000T still active. RESOLVED
Using the splitter instead of pass-through also bypasses the signal interference issue when the 2000T boots up. RESOLVED
Now the DLNA issue. I have copied a file from the 2000T to a thumb drive and inserted that into the Panasonic TV. The TV plays it without issue. I then accessed the TV from the HWT 120 which I know can play files from the thumb drive over the network.
Result – exactly the same as playing them direct from the 2000T i.e. slight jerkiness with either no audio or short broken bursts of audio.
Apparently although the Panasonic TV can play .TS files the Panasonic PVR cannot. From what I have read this is a known issue with Humax files i.e. it adds extra streams that the Panasonic TV is not expecting and cannot deal with e.g. subtitles and text.
So after all that it is a file compatibility issue between the two machines, though only one way – bummer. NOT RESOLVED.
If you want to experiment, load the .ts into tsmuxergui. Deselect all but the Mp2 audio track (assuming SD recordings) and remux to a new .ts (It’s a very fast process). Now will the file play from the HWT120 ?
I have managed to find the software after some difficulty as it appears to have been discontinued.
Not sure if I’m using it wrong but there only appears to be 2 .ts files listed as MPEG 2, 1 video and 1 MPEG 2 audio file.
I’m assuming I just select the audio file and leave the other unticked then press the remux button at the bottom? What then, has that process altered the file on the thumb drive? If so then it clearly hasn’t worked because there’s no change when trying to play.
If there are no other tracks other than a single video file (mpeg2) and a audio track it can’t be other tracks causing the problem unless you got a message saying some content was ignored (in this case remux both to a new file, in fact try this anyway as this may solve the problem). The audio track isn’t mpeg2 which is a video compression codec but MP2 (Mpeg 1 Layer 2).
Surprised you had issues finding the software.
A google search finds loads of sources.
eg
http://tsmuxer.software.informer.com/1.1/
You can examine the contents of virtually any file using Mediainfo (use treeview for full details).
https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo
I will post details of a Freeview SD file from Channel 5.
Quote:If there are no other tracks other than a single video file (mpeg2) and a audio track it can’t be other tracks causing the problem unless you got a message saying some content was ignored (in this case remux both to a new file, in fact try this anyway as this may solve the problem). The audio track isn’t mpeg2 which is a video compression codec but MP2 (Mpeg 1 Layer 2).Surprised you had issues finding the software.
A google search finds loads of sources.
eg
http://tsmuxer.software.informer.com/1.1/
You can examine the contents of virtually any file using Mediainfo (use treeview for full details).
https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo
I will post details of a Freeview SD file from Channel 5.
I went to the site you provided a link to. However, it just leads you to the main site where it informs you that it is now discontinued.
I’m a bit puzzled by the radio button options i.e. TS muxing M2TS Blu-Ray ISO Blu-Ray AVCD folder and Demux, which should I select? I do get a message saying files ignored. It also tells me my files are M2TS.
When I copy the file there are three on the Thumb Drive, 1 NTS file, 1 THM and 1.ts media file. TSMuxER just takes the media file and splits that into two.
The .ts file (transport stream file) is the one you want (the others are Humax support files which only a Humax understands)
This is the data for a Channel 5 programme that has two audio tracks (the second is mono Audio Description). If present deselect it.
Choose .ts (The others allow you to create folders you can burn to Bluray or AVCHD (This allows burning of HD to DVD Blanks which you need a Blu-ray player to watch).
File Details
General
ID : 8198 (0x2006)
Complete name : C:UsersGrahamDownloadsHome and Away_20150319_1314.ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 733 MiB
Duration : 31mn 47s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 3 222 Kbps
Video
ID : 1601 (0x641)
Menu ID : 8500 (0x2134)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 31mn 46s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 826 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Active Format Description : Full frame 16:9 image
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.273
Stream size : 642 MiB (88%)
Audio #1
ID : 1602 (0x642)
Menu ID : 8500 (0x2134)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 4
Duration : 31mn 47s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -331ms
Stream size : 43.6 MiB (6%)
Language : English
Audio #2
ID : 1603 (0x643)
Menu ID : 8500 (0x2134)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 4
Duration : 31mn 47s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 64.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -187ms
Stream size : 14.5 MiB (2%)
Language : English
Language, more info : Visual impaired commentary
Text
ID : 1631 (0x65F)
Menu ID : 8500 (0x2134)
Format : DVB Subtitle
Codec ID : 6
Duration : 31mn 45s
Delay relative to video : 840ms
Language : English
Menu
ID : 1600 (0x640)
Menu ID : 8500 (0x2134)
Duration : 31mn 47s
List : 1601 (0x641) (MPEG Video) / 1602 (0x642) (MPEG Audio, English) / 1603 (0x643) (MPEG Audio, English) / 1631 (0x65F) (DVB Subtitle, English)
Language : / English / English / English
Service name : Channel 5
Service type : digital television
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Thanks Graham, very informative, especially the screen shot.
Thats exactly what I see except there is only the one MPEG-A file. When it has finished muxing I also get a warning that this is a M2TS file – is that normal?
P.S. should I leave those extra files on the thumb drive or delete them?
Faust – 42 minutes ago »
Thanks Graham, very informative, especially the screen shot.
Thats exactly what I see except there is only the one MPEG-A file. When it has finished muxing I also get a warning that this is a M2TS file – is that normal?
P.S. should I leave those extra files on the thumb drive or delete them?
I would delete them, if present and you try and play the stick on a different Humax box it will throw a wobbly because the .htm and .nts files are incompatible. This happens if you try and play files from a Foxsat-hdr on a Freeview+ Humax pvr. The media player thinks it’s a native file and throws a wobbly.
Yes .M2Ts is normal. .M2Ts is the file format used on HD Camcorders which use the same compression codec as HD TV (H264/AVC)
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